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Offline TXMike

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Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« on: May 07, 2015, 09:20:10 PM »
Still trying to digest the new social media policy.  Even wondering if having a discussion about the policy may be a violation of the policy.  (Sort of reminds me of one of those freak sheiks who was on TV last night saying that just having a discussion about Muhammad means the discussers should be penalized by death)  I definitely get where they want to go and the validity of some of the concerns but have we gone too far? 

Introduction:
              TASO Social  Media  Policy
Social Media has become more accessible than ever and is changing the ways we communicate on a daily basis. The guidelines  for functioning  in an electronic  world are similar to the values and ethics policies individuals  are expected  to  live  every  day,  whether  you’re  posting,  Tweeting,  talking  with  co-workers  or  chatting  over  the neighbor’s fence.  Remember, your responsibility to TASO doesn’t end when you exit the court or playing field.

Purpose:
To assist TASO members in participating online in a respectful manner that protects the Mission and Reputation of TASO, the sports officiated by TASO and adhere to the policies of our organization.   We have come up with a few guidelines  to  provide  helpful  and  practical  advice  when  operating  on  the  internet  as  an  identifiable  TASO representative.   These guidelines  apply to members who create or contribute  to blogs, wikis, social networks, or any other kind of social media.   The list includes but is not limited to: Twitter, Yelp, Tumblr, Google+, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook pages/groups, or comments on online media stories.

Guidelines:
TASO members should exercise care in setting appropriate  boundaries  between their personal and public online behavior, understanding  that what is private in the digital world often has the possibility of becoming public, even without their knowledge or consent. TASO strongly encourages all members to carefully review the privacy settings on any social media and networking sites they use and exercise care and good judgment when posting content and information on such sites.

Here are a few guidelines when operating on the internet.

•    Read and familiarize yourself with the TASO Social Media policy and Guidelines.

•    Any personal social media posts and comments must not potentially embarrass TASO, damage the TASO
reputation or tarnish its image.

•    Never misrepresent  yourself or TASO by making false or misleading  comments or posts.   All statements must be true and accurate.

•    TASO members should NOT comment on any topic related to their officiating assignments to include:
o  Specific game or match assignments, locations or dates, either past or future.
o  The scores or outcome of any game or match.
o  Teams or schools involved in any past, future or current assignments.
o  Situations or events that occurred in a game or match.
o  The  officiating  performance  of other  members,  partners  or officials  in any association,  sport  or
level.

•    Members  should  not be “friends”  or “connections”  with coaches,  athletic  directors,  players  or any other participants in the sport in which they officiate.

•    Members should not create TASO specific Social Media profiles, or represent themselves as official TASO
websites, pages or blogs without the written consent of TASO.

Consequences of Violating the TASO Social Media Policy:
Inappropriate   activity  that  is  in  conflict  with  this  document’s  guidelines  may  result  in  disciplinary  action  in accordance  with  TASO  by-laws,  ranging  from  private  reprimand  to expulsion,  and may  include  fine, probation, suspension,  reduction of any classification,  or any combination  of the above deemed appropriate  by the decision making body.

Be smart about protecting  yourself and your privacy.   What you publish is widely accessible  and will be around for a long time, so consider the content carefully.  The Internet has a long memory.


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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2015, 09:29:37 PM »
Like you Mike, I can see where they are going.  But I think we've gone too far.

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2015, 09:54:48 PM »
Think they may have over stepped, but doesn't bother me that much. I don't use Facebook, Twitter or any of the others. Other than texting my crew or commenting on here, I am not on the Internet that much.
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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2015, 10:22:48 PM »
Facebook, tweeter, what is that?  You won't find me on any of those. 

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2015, 09:44:16 AM »
Boy it's really going to suck when some official's child becomes a player.  "Sorry son, but I have to unfriend you...."
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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2015, 06:56:36 AM »
It would take one lawsuit by a diciplined official to change this.   

Here's a scenario.  An official does a high school game.  One of his "friends" on Facebook hears the official's name announced and posts on the official's Facebook page that he sees he is officiating the game. Has there been a violation?   

We talk about and post videos of games and situations here all the time.  Sounds like that is definitely a violation.

This is a poorly thought out policy. 

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2015, 08:37:33 AM »
The policy says"identifiable TASO REPRESENTATIVE"

We don't know who the posters on here are!    ;D
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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2015, 08:58:45 AM »
Is this a violation?

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2015, 10:16:46 AM »
A couple of take away's from this absurd policy.

1.  Yes Doc that is a violation
2.  Another example of people with no knowledge of the material making rules about the material.  It was like the time at the College Station state convention when the topic was retention of younger officials and everyone on the board was over 60 years old.  The plan they came up with was to allow 16 year olds to become associate members and pull chains.  NO SOLVENCY
3.  Do they realize we are basically a volunteer organization?  This policy is really going to go hand in hand with the retention of new officials.
4.  I learn more about officiating thru conversations on this site then any TASO produced resources.  I guess that is now illegal.
5.  Until TASO produces a legit educational website/program they have no business creating a social media policy.  Babysteps TASO Babysteps.

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2015, 10:34:06 AM »
Good points Coby.

Other things to ponder:  Anyone has a right to say where they are and what they are doing.  Those are indisputable facts, not opinion.  We are independent contractors.  If our work is limited by a suspension because of a heavy-handed, over zealous rule, a lawsuit for loss of income, lawyers fees and damages is probably not far behind and easily won.  We learn through websites like this, and videos and descriptions of games we may or may not be involved with.  Limiting that would be counterproductive.  At every varsity game, official's names and chapter are announced, so the information is quite public.  Anyone wanting to know names and addresses of officials can simply file a freedom of information request with a public entity and that school has to comply. 

While I understand the intent, the policy is just silly and unenforceable.  If I want to post a picture of my officiating crew, there's not much TASO can do about it, without some serious repercussions to TASO.  As long as my statements are facts and not opinion, we should all be good.

Hopefully TASO has realized this error and will correct the policy.  We live a lot different society today than even 10 years ago, with the advent of social media, and if TASO does not stay up to speed, they will certainly be passed by and will not help anyone on the recruiting end.

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2015, 10:56:34 AM »
What if you are a coach in one sport and an official in another?  Do you have to unfriend yourself??

What if you have a family member that is a coach?  What if you have a lifelong friend that coaches on the other side of the state?

Are those things which you can be "fined" for??  Speaking of a Fine?  WTF is that about, "hey you owe us 25$ for posting on facebook"... yeah, come and get it...

This has all the makings of olds writing rules and regs for things they know nothing about.  Like Coby said, we have a hard enough time keeping officials, let's make up some more rules that the youngs will detest so that we can increase our recruitment.

Solid plan...

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2015, 12:48:12 PM »
As long as it says we "should not" do certain things it reads as a list of suggestions, not a policy. It is a essentially a list of things that could lead to trouble if you are irresponsible, but not grounds for fines, suspensions, and etc. if you are being responsible.

I don't necessarily disagree with the parts that say "must not" and "never misrepresent..."

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2015, 02:08:19 PM »
this is a knee jerk response to situations they should of took care of and moved on.

this is catch all policy they can use against the people they want to use it against.

in the end you will lose officials over this.

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2015, 02:27:13 PM »
The officials that quit simply because of something like this probably weren't going to be around long anyways. If someone is being irresponsible on social media it is just a matter of time before it catches up with them.

Although the policy is fairly poorly worded, TASO is putting something in place to possibly fall back on when someone has done something on social media to the point they no longer need to be a part of our association. I really don't think the point of the policy is to stop people from posting a picture of their crew or to make an official unfriend someone they have known since they were a child but who happens to be a HS football coach.

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2015, 03:56:35 PM »

•    Any personal social media posts and comments must not potentially embarrass TASO, damage the TASO reputation or tarnish its image.

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Ok...Let me start here.  I work for a major IT firm that takes social media very seriously and has a well developed policy.  Like any policy, a violation can impact your employment status.  The issue when writing a policy and related enforcement is, ironically, much like football rules.  Very little grey area should exist. .

The example bullet point above has the following sections that are wide open to interpretation:
"potentially embarrass TASO",
"damage the TASO reputation" or
"tarnish its image"

What are the definitions of when TASO has been potentially embarrassed, damaged, or tarnished?

For example:  If a rule change is made, and there happened to be unintended consequences, it could very likely embarrass TASO, if a mistake was made and a subsequent reversal/adjustment was needed.  Any official commenting or having discussion/debate on such an issue would now be subject to penalty, up to and including termination as a TASO member, for any statement or discussion against the TASO "company line", if that conversation were had on social media (like this forum). 
To the point of old geezers making policiy for recruiting 16 yr olds -- someone should have spoken up or realized that such a policy and related enforcement does not exactly welcome healthy discussion, but rather smothers distention (which might be the goal...we dont know)

I am sure this "policy" is intended to avoid situations like: If an official (in uniform) and a coach (lifelong friend, family member, or otherwise) take a picture together and publish it to Facebook.  It creates the appearance of impropriety.  However, TASO already has a policy in place to address these kinds of issues...its call the Conflict of Interest policy.  If an official works a game with his college roommate as one of the coaches, then either he had disclosed the conflict and both coaches agreed to use him at crew selection, or the official violated the COI policy by not disclosing.  In either case, TASO is covered.

Sounds like this social media policy was not well thought out, but accomplishes its goal of giving TASO air cover in the event someone goes rogue online...they can point to the policy and say "we told him not to do that, so we will fire him now".

The unintended (maybe) consequence, is that no one wants to tell the emperor about his new clothes.  (look it up if you dont know).
Coach: "I've been doing this 30 years!  I know the rules!"
Ref: "Are you married coach?"
Coach (suddenly offguard): "umm...yeah, why?"
Ref: "I've been married 30 years and my wife says there is still room for improvement"
Coach: "<silence>"

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2015, 04:06:15 PM »
The policy says"identifiable TASO REPRESENTATIVE"

We don't know who the posters on here are!    ;D

I actually think this is part of the problem as to why organizations feel the need for social media policies.  People think they are anonymous online.  So they say things online that they don't put their name to and certainly wouldn't say to a person if they were standing face to face.  This type of cowardly behavior has become commonplace in cyberspace.  So the only recourse companies and organizations have is to establish a policy to give them recourse when the inevitable hatchet job internet post occurs.

For those who think anonymity online is real: It takes one subpoena to this or any website's admins to turn over registration information that will immediately identify anyone.  Even the most sophisticated techies out there, of which very few officials are counted, your home/work internet has a unique thing called an IP address that is easily traced to your physical location.  You have no anonymity in cyberspace.

This ends today's public service announcement.  Please return to your regularly scheduled shenanigans.
Coach: "I've been doing this 30 years!  I know the rules!"
Ref: "Are you married coach?"
Coach (suddenly offguard): "umm...yeah, why?"
Ref: "I've been married 30 years and my wife says there is still room for improvement"
Coach: "<silence>"

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2015, 08:00:06 PM »
Which is why my post had a smiley face!
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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2015, 10:57:13 PM »
The officials that quit simply because of something like this probably weren't going to be around long anyways. If someone is being irresponsible on social media it is just a matter of time before it catches up with them.

Although the policy is fairly poorly worded, TASO is putting something in place to possibly fall back on when someone has done something on social media to the point they no longer need to be a part of our association. I really don't think the point of the policy is to stop people from posting a picture of their crew or to make an official unfriend someone they have known since they were a child but who happens to be a HS football coach.

according to the policy you can not post pictures. don't write it into the policy if you don't plan on enforcing it.....

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2015, 08:10:03 AM »
•    Members  should  not be “friends”  or “connections”  with coaches,  athletic  directors,  players  or any other participants in the sport in which they officiate.

But by all means, continue to take them fishing.  pi1eOn

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2015, 08:39:00 AM »
according to the policy you can not post pictures. don't write it into the policy if you don't plan on enforcing it.....

Where does it say this? Is the policy above just a portion of a more thorough version that I haven't seen?

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2015, 04:25:22 PM »
Anyone see the email sent out today by Tommy?

He wants feed back from us via chapter president to district director to the board
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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2015, 07:22:32 PM »
Heck, We've got chapters and individual crews not following the printed mechanics manual with no repurcussions, so I wouldn't worry too much about this piddly policy. pi1eOn

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2015, 09:03:17 AM »
Heck, We've got chapters and individual crews not following the printed mechanics manual with no repurcussions, so I wouldn't worry too much about this piddly policy. pi1eOn

Good point.

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2015, 10:32:33 AM »
What is a mechanics manual???? Are we fixing cars???

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Re: Is This The End of Our Discussion?
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2015, 06:11:19 PM »
Still trying to digest the new social media policy. 

Mike, This policy makes you "done" answering questions on Old Coach and 5Atexasfootball.com.
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