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Offline TexDoc

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Championship Games
« on: December 14, 2015, 09:07:54 AM »
6AD1 - FTW
6AD2 - TYL
5AD1 - AUS
5AD2 -
4AD1 -
4AD2 - TYL
3AD1 - SAT
3AD2 -
2AD1 - FTW
2AD2 -

Offline JarMan69

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2015, 09:22:24 AM »
Per Zebra Ware Tyler has 3 games, 3A, 4A & 6A. I have heard rumors that the same crew will be working multiple games for both Tyler and FW. You would hope some of these local boards would not let this happen.

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2015, 09:58:47 AM »
Latest intel:

6AD1 - FTW
6AD2 - TYL
5AD1 - AUS
5AD2 - HOU
4AD1 - HOU
4AD2 - TYL
3AD1 - SAT
3AD2 - TYL
2AD1 - FTW
2AD2 -

Offline BankerRef

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2015, 10:59:47 AM »
I have heard rumors that the same crew will be working multiple games for both Tyler and FW. You would hope some of these local boards would not let this happen.

If a crew gets requested for multiple games that aren't on the same day what reason do you have to tell the schools they can't get who they want?

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2015, 11:15:16 AM »
Per Zebra Ware Tyler has 3 games, 3A, 4A & 6A. I have heard rumors that the same crew will be working multiple games for both Tyler and FW. You would hope some of these local boards would not let this happen.

have to love the good old boy system. people wonder why chapters can't keep officials.

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2015, 11:50:02 AM »
If a crew gets requested for multiple games that aren't on the same day what reason do you have to tell the schools they can't get who they want?

It's the system we have, which stinks.  To answer your question, because coaches should not be able to request a specific crew.   deadhorse: deadhorse: deadhorse:

Offline JarMan69

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2015, 12:01:52 PM »
All other sports are selected on a chapter basis by the UIL and not the coaches. This "good ole boy system" stinks. This needs to be changed!!

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2015, 12:42:51 PM »
All other sports are selected on a chapter basis by the UIL and not the coaches. This "good ole boy system" stinks. This needs to be changed!!

So you are going to trade one "good ole boy system" for another?

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2015, 12:44:25 PM »
So you are going to trade one "good ole boy system" for another?

That's the problem!  Any way it is done, someone will not be happy.

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2015, 12:48:17 PM »
That's the problem!  Any way it is done, someone will not be happy.

I agree, everyone will never be happy. But, you'd have to think there was a way to get some more folks some state experience that are deserving. But, like you said UIL takes over and people will still be unhappy.

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2015, 01:04:07 PM »
With there being 10 games played this upcoming weekend that means there will be at least 50 positions working but probably more like 56 assuming three games are 7-man.  I say positions and not officials because we also know there are several that will be double dipping so I will work off the assumption there are approximately 45 individual officials working this upcoming weekend.  I’d be interested to know out of 45 working how many worked last year versus how many are new working this year.  It would be a nice thing to see it more spread out and I’m sure the same annual arguments will start up again. 

Congrats to ANYONE who does have the privilege of working this upcoming a weekend.   Be fair and do a great job.  Please just remember to take a second or third look when the chain stretches and make sure it is not past the ball before you signal first down….LOL.

Offline Cowtown Ref

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2015, 01:28:40 PM »
Wow!  Dallas didn't get 1?

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2015, 01:39:42 PM »
Please just remember to take a second or third look when the chain stretches and make sure it is not past the ball before you signal first down…

TxPanhandle.....That's cold.

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2015, 03:30:26 PM »
Wow!  Dallas didn't get 1?

Nope, Not 1. hEaDbAnG pi1eOn

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2015, 03:42:54 PM »
Wow!  Dallas didn't get 1?
Sub-par chapter

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Re: Championship Games
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Offline getnbetter

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2015, 04:07:51 PM »
:sTiR: ^flag

Dallas has lived off of it's rep for a long time.  They have good crews, but even those crews have a superiority complex.  And this is coming from someone who is a part of the chapter.  It's easy to be mad at the comment, but if he were lying our numbers in the playoffs wouldn't be what they are.
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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2015, 06:39:05 PM »
if he were lying our numbers in the playoffs wouldn't be what they are.
On the same page GB, but getting games is not a true reflection of how good the chapter is, I mean Tyler chapter got 3
All Texas chapters > Tyler chapter

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2015, 09:19:59 PM »
Latest intel:

6AD1 - FTW
6AD2 - TYL
5AD1 - AUS
5AD2 - HOU
4AD1 - HOU
4AD2 - TYL
3AD1 - SAT
3AD2 - TYL
2AD1 - FTW
2AD2 -

ETX got the 2AD2 game

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2015, 06:43:24 AM »
Dallas has lived off of it's rep for a long time.  They have good crews, but even those crews have a superiority complex.  And this is coming from someone who is a part of the chapter.  It's easy to be mad at the comment, but if he were lying our numbers in the playoffs wouldn't be what they are.
  Lot more complicated than just a Chapter "is not good".  Dallas, to their credit, apparently has a crew formation policy that prevents any all D-1 crews.  This is probably good for the long term health of the Chapter has "lower" classification officials get experience sooner than they might otherwise.  But many playoff games come in with a caveat to have an all D-1 crew. So what do they do, break up an existing crew to make an artificial all D1 crew?

Also could be a factor of the schools who are playing.  "Their" schools play in a Champ game and they are out of luck. Just ask Houston how that goes. 

Maybe it is how they market themselves for the playoffs.

Are there officials "better" than the ones who will work these last 10 games?  ABSOLUTELY!  Even inside the Chapters those officials are coming from there are "better" officials in many cases.  Are there going to be mistakes made?  ABSOLUTELY  I trust we are all in agreement that we hope any mistakes made are the ones that are typically only noticed by guys like us and definitely not ones that affect the outcome.   

It is a mistake for anyone to assume Chapters and officials get games because "they are better".  It is far more complicated than that simple (and incorrect) answer.

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2015, 08:37:41 AM »
Mike,

You're right that there are "better" officials than those working this weekend, but we have so many officials that think they are "the best" BECAUSE they are working this round or that only the best officials work in this round.

You're even more spot on with your assessment that Dallas doesn't do a good enough job of marketing itself.  In the past, their marketing has been simply, "we're Dallas, we've got history, we have put out good officials in the past."  That simply won't cut it anymore.  Hopefully future  leadership will fix this.

Offline FatboyHL

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2015, 10:22:45 AM »


You're even more spot on with your assessment that Dallas doesn't do a good enough job of marketing itself.  In the past, their marketing has been simply, "we're Dallas, we've got history, we have put out good officials in the past."  That simply won't cut it anymore.  Hopefully future  leadership will fix this.

Plug any chapter in place of Dallas and it should resonate with others as well. 

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2015, 12:33:37 PM »
One Tyler crew who has two games this weekend also had two last year.

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2015, 12:46:23 PM »
The FTW games are both being covered by one crew. To say this caused a stir in our chapter would be a bit of understatement. I think there has to be a better way than what we do for crew selection but I hesitate to start charging at people with pitchforks because I don't have a solution. I would be like to hear real, thought out ideas that y'all might have for crew assignments.

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Re: Championship Games
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2015, 12:56:43 PM »
One Tyler crew who has two games this weekend also had two last year.

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