Targeting Call

[druida_27]

I am a Ref on the Uruguayan League (LUFA) in late saturday game, there was a play that we called targeting and there were some doubt (mainly from the team that was penalized).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRqSEqaWYSk&feature=youtu.be

There is the link to video, hoping I could get your insigths about the play, and above all if you think we get it right or not.

tks

Fernando

[Rostrom]

Fernando; No hay falta en la jugada, la fuerza del contacto es con el hombro y hacia el pecho del oponente, quizás los cascos se golpearon entre si, pero debido a la fuerza del contacto mencionado y a que el jugador bloqueado no esperaba el golpe.

[ElvisLives]

Fernando,
In replay - especially in slow motion - the primary force of the contact was with defenders shoulder in to the ball carrier's body.  There may have been some contact between the helmets, but the defender did not lead with his head, and, in fact, it appears that he actually turned his own head slightly in an effort to avoid making contact with his helmet.  And an upright ball carrier is not a 'defenseless' player. So, any this is just incidental helmet-to-helmet contact.

This really does not reach the level of "targeting."

But, again, if these defenders will learn to tackle the ball carrier (wrap their arms around them and bring them to the ground), instead of just trying to hit them as hard as they can, almost all targeting calls will disappear.

Robert

[druida_27]

Fernando,
In replay - especially in slow motion - the primary force of the contact was with defenders shoulder in to the ball carrier's body.  There may have been some contact between the helmets, but the defender did not lead with his head, and, in fact, it appears that he actually turned his own head slightly in an effort to avoid making contact with his helmet.  And an upright ball carrier is not a 'defenseless' player. So, any this is just incidental helmet-to-helmet contact.

This really does not reach the level of "targeting."

But, again, if these defenders will learn to tackle the ball carrier (wrap their arms around them and bring them to the ground), instead of just trying to hit them as hard as they can, almost all targeting calls will disappear.

Robert

Robert, actually the player that receives the hit is not a ball carrier, he's the long snapper trying to cover a punt,

https://youtu.be/eogGWxXUkDM

this is the link of the play so you guys can have another reference.

In the game, of course without slow motion, and without proper review methods, we understood that #21 kind of crouches to hit, and we saw the head of the player that receives the hit going back (indicators)

tks for your insight

Fernando

[ElvisLives]

Sorry.  I guess I just assumed he was the BC.  I see now that he wasn't, but that doesn't actually make any difference.  This looks suspicious, but it just doesn't get to the level of targeting.  Just a hard, but legal, block.

Robert

[Rulesman]

Fernando; No hay falta en la jugada, la fuerza del contacto es con el hombre y hacia el pecho del oponente, quizás los cascos se golpearon entre si, pero debido a la fuerza del contacto mencionado y a que el jugador bloqueado no esperaba el golpe.

Translation?

[druida_27]

Translation?

He said that: "there was no foul on that play, the forcible contact is with the shoulder and on to the opponent chest, maybe there is a contact between helmets, but just because of the strength of the contact, and the blocked player wasn't expecting the hit."

Hope my translation is accurate.

Fernando

[Rulesman]

 

He said that: "there was no foul on that play, the forcible contact is with the shoulder and on to the opponent chest, maybe there is a contact between helmets, but just because of the strength of the contact, and the blocked player wasn't expecting the hit."

Hope my translation is accurate.

Fernando

 

[James]

An important part of Elvis' message is that we are looking at it in slow motion.
At full speed and with your crew in proper mechanics positions I don't think they should be faulted after - as you point out - they react to seeing the indicators.

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[druida_27]

An important part of Elvis' message is that we are looking at it in slow motion.
At full speed and with your crew in proper mechanics positions I don't think they should be faulted after - as you point out - they react to seeing the indicators.

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We actually saw the play as a targeting foul, we are a crew of 5, so we have 4 less eyes... Hehehe

Tks everyone for your comments, we really appreciate the time and the will to help us be better refs.

Fernando