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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2018, 10:07:25 PM »
It could be 120 to 0 and he doesn't like it.  The last time I worked a varsity game for this coach we were quite liberal with the clock in a 64 to 0 game in the 3rd quarter and the coach called a TO and said to me "hey, we don't run the clock at XXXX."  I just said, that's fine coach, but I do
So you just make up your own rules as you see fit???

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2018, 10:13:09 PM »
Why in the world would we want to do that?
Says the guy in the middle of the field watching a play clock all game...oh and recording the R痴 fouls.

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2018, 11:11:45 PM »
1. For KO, hit the 40 sec when the B is ready with ball.
2. When score delta is >40 after half, clock runs. Only stops on injury and TO. For all Sub V delta is 24. "Coach, its a UIL Rule "

 

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2018, 06:14:49 AM »
For all subvarsity run chains on the home sideline.

How about the chain gang be of high school age?  Not the 7th graders from the B game....

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2018, 11:28:45 AM »
Many times the B team 7th grade is better than the "high school age" who are talking to girls, checking their phone, etc.
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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2018, 11:49:57 AM »
How about the chain gang be of high school age?  Not the 7th graders from the B game....
I had a 7th grade game and the chain crew was a 6th graders who couldn't reach the numbers on the down box.  I spoke with the AD about the issue and requested that he at least get us some kids who could reach the down box.  The next week we go back and it's the same kids but this time they could reach the box.  Coach took the 7ft down box and cut it down to 5 ft so the kids could reach it.   hEaDbAnG

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2018, 12:37:55 PM »
Says the guy in the middle of the field watching a play clock all game...oh and recording the R痴 fouls.
Around here the B records all fouls!  Yours must be lazy.

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2018, 01:27:22 PM »
Around here the B records all fouls!  Yours must be lazy.

I have a question on the subject of recording fouls.  What good does it do any longer to record fouls?  When I first started officiating we would record fouls, fill out the NCAA foul sheet at the end of the game and then deliver a copy to each coach before leaving the game site.  Then things progressed where the NCAA foul sheet was no longer provided and, instead, all fouls were recorded in our scheduling system, ZebraWare.  Then ZebraWare goes away an hence we no longer have a system to record our fouls.  But when we were recording fouls I saw very little value from it in the high school game.  Primarily because there was no supervisor to report to and marry up fouls called to game film evaluated. 

So I ask, what good does it do for high school varsity games?  Side Note:  we do record any UNS for obvious purposes. 

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2018, 01:51:15 PM »
I have a question on the subject of recording fouls.  What good does it do any longer to record fouls?  When I first started officiating we would record fouls, fill out the NCAA foul sheet at the end of the game and then deliver a copy to each coach before leaving the game site.  Then things progressed where the NCAA foul sheet was no longer provided and, instead, all fouls were recorded in our scheduling system, ZebraWare.  Then ZebraWare goes away an hence we no longer have a system to record our fouls.  But when we were recording fouls I saw very little value from it in the high school game.  Primarily because there was no supervisor to report to and marry up fouls called to game film evaluated. 

So I ask, what good does it do for high school varsity games?  Side Note:  we do record any UNS for obvious purposes.

We record all of our fouls and the coaches still get a copy electronically.  We actually use this data to keep track of any trends such as the wings throwing more flags against the other side.  We also use the foul report to review the game film.  Are certain crews more strict on calling certain fouls is something we look at.  For us we want to see teams foul less.  We can look up player numbers and what fouls are committed and pass that information along to the coach.   

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2018, 02:13:00 PM »
Around here the B records all fouls!  Yours must be lazy.
Lol they usually are

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2018, 02:30:55 PM »
My chapter still records fouls, enters them into Reftown and submits to the coaches. I知 not sure how accurate they are though. 

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2018, 03:07:53 PM »
My chapter still records fouls, enters them into Reftown and submits to the coaches. I知 not sure how accurate they are though.

Thanks Jason and Doc.  I can tell you when we were entering fouls the accuracy was absolutely suspect.  Especially when trying to match up to game film.  For example, I'd see a holding foul entered against the home team and the quarter/time would say 2nd - 12:00.  Obviously that's not when the foul occurred.  Again, because there's no supervisor at the chapter level it seems nobody gives a damn. 

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2018, 10:44:06 PM »
Thanks Jason and Doc.  I can tell you when we were entering fouls the accuracy was absolutely suspect.  Especially when trying to match up to game film.  For example, I'd see a holding foul entered against the home team and the quarter/time would say 2nd - 12:00.  Obviously that's not when the foul occurred.  Again, because there's no supervisor at the chapter level it seems nobody gives a DARN.

Without a sideline liaison, I知 not sure how accurate these can be.  We move along fairly quickly and getting the foul, number and time down is of least importance in the scheme of things.  We have to focus on the next play. 

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« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2018, 01:53:41 AM »
Without a sideline liaison, I知 not sure how accurate these can be.  We move along fairly quickly and getting the foul, number and time down is of least importance in the scheme of things.  We have to focus on the next play.

Most of our back judges use an audio recorder.  At times we will have a new member travel with the crew and keep the fouls.  The back judge is recording the foul while the referee is making the announcement. 

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2018, 09:32:39 AM »
Without a sideline liaison, I知 not sure how accurate these can be.  We move along fairly quickly and getting the foul, number and time down is of least importance in the scheme of things.  We have to focus on the next play.
Really not too hard to track your fouls on game card. But without a supe downgrading an official for inaccurate foul report, there is little motivation to ensure accuracy unless you take pride in your work.


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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2018, 08:05:28 AM »
BONUS QUESTION!

At the end of the game, comparing all crew members game cards, what should be on all of the cards?

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2018, 09:51:52 AM »
BONUS QUESTION!

At the end of the game, comparing all crew members game cards, what should be on all of the cards?
All UNS fouls.

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2018, 09:59:59 AM »
All UNS fouls.
UNS fouls and time outs.

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2018, 10:09:23 AM »
And line to gain and ball on for change of quarter......

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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2018, 01:02:54 PM »
Wow... I didn't realize recording/not recording fouls was a thing.  As a back judge for the last 9 years, I have always just done it.  I use a recorder.  I used to use the NCAA foul report, but now we put the fouls into our assignment system.  I use them when I look at film to see calls that I want another look at.

I didn't realize people didn't do it.  I thought all back judge's did.  At least all the ones I know do.


Lets get back to something that really matters for next season... moving those stupid airhorns away from the field.  :)


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Re: Changes for next season I would like to see:
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2019, 09:09:32 AM »
OK, here is my wish list for the coming football season.
1) Outlaw all low blocking except for the 5 interior linemen on their initial block (+/- 1 yard from LOS).
2) Require all schools 3a and higher to utilize 7 man crews if available.
3) Mercy rule for all varsity games.  35 points after halftime starts a running clock with defined parameters.
4) 20 minute running clock except for last 2 minutes of each half in all 7, 8 & 9 grade games.
5) 25 minute running clock for jv games except for last 2 minutes of half.
6) Rotate State championship games through chapters.   If a chapter does not have a crew at this level then they can opt out. 
7) Require coaches to use the chapter in their area.   I was not in favor of this until I saw the state championship games.   I did not see any elite crews that were head and shoulder above the top crews in other chapters I have been able to watch.

I hope to call at least four more years if the second knee replacement goes as good as the first.   There is nothing like being on the field at a Texas high school game when the national anthem is played.   I wish all the people that think this country is broken could come to Texas on a Friday night and see what the real USA is about.

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« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2019, 10:06:01 AM »
I wish all the people that think this country is broken could come to Texas on a Friday night and see what the real USA is about.

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