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Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« on: November 14, 2024, 10:38:18 AM »
Playing a team Friday and think we can call for a fair catch before the second bounce.  Also, does just basic catch interference come into play, even if we advance on the ball pass the restraining line.  Need to get a professional's opinion on if the attached plays could be considered kick catch interference.  I would to advise my HC properly before the pregame conference. 
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Re: Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2024, 11:03:03 AM »
On both of the clips you provided, the ball is directly driven into the ground, so the initial bounce, by rule, does not take away kick-catch or fair-catch protection.

Any Team B (receiving team) play in position to make a catch prior to the "second bounce" must be provided an unimpeded opportunity to complete the catch regardless of whether or not they signal for a fair catch. If a fair-catch is signaled, they may not be contacted after the catch is completed (fair-catch protection). Additionally, the ball may not be advanced once the catch is completed due to the fair-catch signal and the play is dead once possession is gained. There is no restriction on where this signal and catch is made in regards to the restraining line and the receiver being protected.

Once the ball strikes the ground a second time (by rule considered the first bounce if the ball was driven directly into the ground off the tee), any fair-catch or kick-catch protection is gone. If a fair catch signal was given by the Team B (receiving team) at any point during the play, they may not advance the ball from where they may gain possession.

In short:
If you signal fair catch, you are only provided protection if the attempted catch occurs prior to the "second bounce."
If no signal is given, you are still provided an unimpeded opportunity to complete the catch prior to the "second bounce" but may be contacted after this opportunity ends.
After the "second bounce" no protection or unimpeded opportunity is given regardless of signal.


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Re: Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2024, 11:08:44 AM »
In the first clip, there is no kick catch interference as the ball has had a "second bounce."

In the second clip, it looks like a "second bounce" occurred just in front of #2, so there would not be kick catch interference. There is an illegal block on the kicking team however as the contact occurs prior to the ball going 10 yards and prior to touching by team B.

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Re: Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2024, 05:20:09 PM »
The illegal block is the part of this i was concerned about.  Many coaches don't realize that they are not allowed to block until they are legally allowed to touch the ball so they send a few to clear out the way but it's illegal.  Now for me if the blocker crosses their restraining line and initiates the contact I let that go but on a kick like that there is so much to see to get it right.

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Re: Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2024, 08:51:20 PM »
The illegal block is the part of this i was concerned about.  Many coaches don't realize that they are not allowed to block until they are legally allowed to touch the ball so they send a few to clear out the way but it's illegal.  Now for me if the blocker crosses their restraining line and initiates the contact I let that go but on a kick like that there is so much to see to get it right.

Now imagine the same play, in a five-man crew, kicked towards the press box side... would be very, very difficult to get everything right.

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Re: Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2024, 09:45:15 PM »
Now imagine the same play, in a five-man crew, kicked towards the press box side... would be very, very difficult to get everything right.

I know many of a first or 2nd year who struggled  with those calls especially on 6 man games.

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Re: Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2024, 02:20:41 PM »
I know many of a first or 2nd year who struggled  with those calls especially on 6 man games.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/13724850/671158e6ab6580af593cf509

11-man, but very, very difficult to get right in a 5-man crew.

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Re: Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2024, 02:41:57 PM »
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/13724850/671158e6ab6580af593cf509

11-man, but very, very difficult to get right in a 5-man crew.

Truthfully, very difficult to get with any size crew.
If this is a 'surprise' onside kick, yes, very difficult with a crew of 5. But, if this is a predictable onside kick, you'd better be in short kick mechanics, with the L moving to B's restraining line. Then you have two sets of eyes on the "onside action," regardless of which side to which they kick the ball. The ball side L/H needs to see who touches the ball first, and where. That is 90% of the battle. The off-side L/H needs to be primary on KCI. The B/U need to observe the blocking, and get a flag down on an early block by A.
With crew of 7, the U, B, L and H are primary on blocking and KCI. The F and S are primary on who/where first touching occurs.
All very difficult.

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Re: Onside Kick Catch Interference?
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2024, 03:41:50 PM »
Truthfully, very difficult to get with any size crew.
If this is a 'surprise' onside kick, yes, very difficult with a crew of 5. But, if this is a predictable onside kick, you'd better be in short kick mechanics, with the L moving to B's restraining line. Then you have two sets of eyes on the "onside action," regardless of which side to which they kick the ball. The ball side L/H needs to see who touches the ball first, and where. That is 90% of the battle. The off-side L/H needs to be primary on KCI. The B/U need to observe the blocking, and get a flag down on an early block by A.
With crew of 7, the U, B, L and H are primary on blocking and KCI. The F and S are primary on who/where first touching occurs.
All very difficult.

Good video and perfect example.   5 man mechanics the blocking gets lost in the mix because everyone is focused on ball and when b touches it.  Also I don't think newer officials are as comfortable with the rule on blocking before touching on free kicks so again everyone hyper focused on the ball.  It's hard to say how much the u can help on the far side here.  I now want to reread 5&7 man mechanics on short kicks.  If it's not in there I think who ever side the ball is coming to has ball and far side has blocking.  Player is bigger than a ball easier to see at a distance.