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UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« on: December 20, 2024, 12:46:23 PM »
What specific rules modifications/additions/removals would you like to see in the future?

For me:

Some kind of mercy rule for 11 man games
No dangling mouthpieces
No visors, period
Faking a spike should be treated the same as faking a slide or taking a knee. (hot take I know)

I've got a laundry list for UIL/TASO that isn't rule related but that's for a different thread. :)

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2024, 03:08:33 PM »
I'll add:

Simulating brandishing a weapon - automatic DQ

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2024, 06:44:46 PM »
Make them have knee pads actually on the knee
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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2024, 06:47:58 PM »
Honestly after watching the games even just today, that ship has sailed. If TASO and UIL don't care, I don't either... just take it out of the rulebook.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2024, 06:51:22 PM »
I'll add:

Simulating brandishing a weapon - automatic DQ

What if it's a water gun he's brandishing?  DQ seems a bit harsh.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2024, 09:17:57 PM »
Nope.  Anything related to true violence, auto DQ, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

That's an opportunity for a whole new level of violence to be introduced and reflected in the game and I'm not ok with that.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2024, 09:31:07 PM »
i agree with the mercy rule.  no need for games to still be going in the 2nd half when 1 team is up by 50 points.

id also like to see the 2 minute warning put in also.
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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2024, 03:04:33 PM »
Most states have a running clock. In MD and VA, a 35-point lead in the 2nd half triggers the running clock.

In DC, a 35-point margin at any time triggers the running clock. With a 50-point margin, the period length is reduced to 6 minutes.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2025, 08:10:50 PM »
When will UIL adopt the full NCAA timing rules?

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2025, 09:04:59 AM »
Likely never!
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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2025, 01:00:18 PM »
Most of the NCAA timing rule changes in the past 15 years have been to shorten the total length of games to accommodate TV’s pressure to fit this ‘product’ into a maximum 3-hour window, but maximize their commercial time. They have slowly been stealing playing time, with re-starting the game clock on the ready after OB plays, the imposition of the 40-second play clock that starts with the previous dead-ball, (now) not stopping the game clock on first downs inbounds, etc.
Since UIL games are shorter, by rule, already, and there aren’t nearly the number of live televised games, most games are in the 2:30-2:45 window, and I don’t see any sentiment to reduce that. I see no need to change timing rules for normal game play. I have, and would, never unilaterally ‘run the clock.’ When BOTH head coaches communicate their mutual desire to run the clock, then I have complied with their wishes. But I don’t like it.

I have mixed emotions about any sort of ‘mercy’ rule. I certainly do not wish to see any players put at significantly increased risk of injury when they are clearly overwhelmed by an opponent. However, those players that show up for practice every day, and do their best to help their team, but are less skilled than other players, and don’t often have an opportunity to get playing time, even when their team is winning, deserve the opportunity to get on the field and play the game they practice as regularly as the starters and other ‘regulars.’ A Team should be able to recognize that they are overwhelming their opponent, and should insert their non-regulars, giving the opponent the opportunity to insert their non-regulars, as well, so all players get a chance to play this game, and their parents and family members should have the opportunity to show their pride for their children/siblings/relatives. Playing time is their time - not ours. We shouldn’t steal their time by terminating the game after some score margin is reached, or shortening the playing time, or ‘running the clock.’ Coaches that want the clock to run don’t give one rats behind about the safety of their players. They just don’t want to have to stay out there while they are getting the crap beaten out of them. Understandable. But, those 2nd, 3rd, 4th team players just want to play. They realize they aren’t going to change the outcome of the game, but, dadgummit, they busted their hineys all week serving as whipping boys for the starters, and they just want to get a handful of plays in the real games. If, somehow, the losing team starts to make a comeback with their non-regulars against the winning team’s non-regulars, then, by all means, coach, put your regulars back in. But let’s don’t rob the lesser skilled/talented players of their chance to participate in the biggest activity of their high school lives.
If BOTH coaches ask to reduce playing time or run the clock, then, OK. But, I’d rather see them agree to let their subs play, but reserve the right to play their starters, if necessary, to assure a victory.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2025, 09:06:47 AM »
My feelings exactly. I have seen the 2s and 3s able to play almost a full half game in those situations. Now we are stealing plays from them with running clocks.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2025, 11:07:59 AM »
My feelings exactly. I have seen the 2s and 3s able to play almost a full half game in those situations. Now we are stealing plays from them with running clocks.

I was working a JV game this past season and the coaches wanted to run the clock.  At one point some players on defense was asking why the clock was running and I informed them that coaches wanted to run it.  The players then told me how it wasn't fair because #54 just returned back from an injury and they just put him into the game and was wanting to get ample playing time.  Those are the things we (coaches included) don't think about.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2025, 03:11:21 PM »
I would like the 9-1-4 targeting indicator changed. I'm not a big fan of "Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area." If we are being honest, that provides an indicator for every contact to the helmet of a defenseless player and could almost make an indicator not necessary. After all what else could you lead with? I will reference the play in the Texas ASU game. It is targeting by rule but i agree with the no call. The defender kept his head up and made a form tackle / football play. (For the record, I'm a long suffering Arkansas fan and have no dog in this fight) If they want any contact to the head neck of a defenseless player illegal then just say that. The launch, crouch and lowering of the head are good justified points. However you just can't make contact without leading with the mentioned body parts. Now we are left to arbitrarily decide if the contact was an "attack beyond a normal tackle"

And for what it's worth, no mercy rule, play better
 

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2025, 05:06:20 PM »
However you just can't make contact without leading with the mentioned body parts.

Difficult, yes, but not impossible. In the first of the two possible targeting incidents in that game, the defender simply ran straight forward, and, without lowering his head/shoulders or leaning his head forward (leading), his head contacted the head of the opponent. There was no attacking action to the head/neck area, and no launch, upward thrust, or leading with the head, shoulder, forearm, hand, or any part of the defender’s body. He simply ran directly into the defenseless player.
I’ve seen this several times. There is no indicator and no attacking action. No foul.

Now, 9-1-3, on the other hand, ‘spearing,’ is a different story. I have never seen a 9-1-3 that didn’t have the attacker lower his head and lean forward to make contact with the 6” diameter of the crown of his helmet, to some part of the opponent’s body. And I don’t know how a player could make contact with the crown of his helmet on an opponent without lowering and leading with his head. For a 9-1-3, the indicator is pretty well built in.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2025, 08:34:52 AM »
Gentleman, I have a question about the scrimmage kick fouls by Team B.  I saw this happen in one of the bowl games and wanted to see if it was enforced incorrectly.

The team is in a scrimmage kick formation, and we have running into the kicker—not roughing the kicker, just running into the kicker.  The penalty is 5 Yards.  The question is where is this enforced from the previous spot or the succeeding spot, or does the kicking team have the choice?  Or is this always from the previous spot and if not a first down then the kicking team must declined Team B ball at the deadball spot or accept and re-kick?

The foul in the bowl game was enforced at the succeeding spot and Team B ball with the 5 yards tacked on.  What is the rule location in the rule book to back this up?

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2025, 11:57:48 AM »
Gentleman, I have a question about the scrimmage kick fouls by Team B.  I saw this happen in one of the bowl games and wanted to see if it was enforced incorrectly.

The team is in a scrimmage kick formation, and we have running into the kicker—not roughing the kicker, just running into the kicker.  The penalty is 5 Yards.  The question is where is this enforced from the previous spot or the succeeding spot, or does the kicking team have the choice?  Or is this always from the previous spot and if not a first down then the kicking team must declined Team B ball at the deadball spot or accept and re-kick?

The foul in the bowl game was enforced at the succeeding spot and Team B ball with the 5 yards tacked on.  What is the rule location in the rule book to back this up?

Do you have a video of the play? Are you certain it was penalized from the succeeding spot? 9-1-16-a Penalty

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2025, 12:23:40 PM »
The team is in a scrimmage kick formation, and we have running into the kicker—not roughing the kicker, just running into the kicker.  The penalty is 5 Yards.  The question is where is this enforced from the previous spot or the succeeding spot, or does the kicking team have the choice?  Or is this always from the previous spot and if not a first down then the kicking team must declined Team B ball at the deadball spot or accept and re-kick?

There is no provision for team B fouls similar to rule 6-3-13, which applies only to team A. Team B does have the PSK enforcement for some of their fouls, but that applies only to fouls that are enforced from the basic spot. Both roughing and running into the kicker are specifically previous spot enforcement fouls. So yes, team A gets the option of enforcing five yards from the previous spot and maybe having the 4th down repeated, or declining the penalty and accepting the result of the play.

Personally I would not mind if team A had an option to tack on these five-yarders, but that is not how it currently is.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2025, 06:24:03 AM »
Most states have a running clock. In MD and VA, a 35-point lead in the 2nd half triggers the running clock.

In DC, a 35-point margin at any time triggers the running clock. With a 50-point margin, the period length is reduced to 6 minutes.
In lieu of a running clock, Connecticut has a novel answer. IF his team wins by 50+ points, the head coach is suspended for one game. The losing team's athletic director may offer a pardon.  nAnA

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2025, 08:10:38 AM »
In lieu of a running clock, Connecticut has a novel answer. IF his team wins by 50+ points, the head coach is suspended for one game. The losing team's athletic director may offer a pardon.  nAnA

How often are the pardons NOT granted? My guess they are 100% granted, because those coaches never know when they may need to seek a job from the other coach.

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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2025, 08:26:18 AM »
Do you have a video of the play? Are you certain it was penalized from the succeeding spot? 9-1-16-a Penalty

It was in the Mobile Bowl, Bowling Green and Arkansas St.

This is why I think it was asset wrong in the bowl game.  The rule in 9-1-16 reads below.  It says when running into the kicker it's 5 yards from the previous spot and says nothing about "or succeeding spot, deadball spot"

PENALTY—Roughing or any other personal foul against the kicker who is in the act or just after kicking the ball; or roughing the holder: 15 yards from the previous spot, plus automatic first down if not in conflict with other rules [S38 and S30]. Running into the kicker or holder: 5 yards from the previous spot [S30].
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2025, 11:56:47 AM »
It was in the Mobile Bowl, Bowling Green and Arkansas St.

This is why I think it was asset wrong in the bowl game.  The rule in 9-1-16 reads below.  It says when running into the kicker it's 5 yards from the previous spot and says nothing about "or succeeding spot, deadball spot"

PENALTY—Roughing or any other personal foul against the kicker who is in the act or just after kicking the ball; or roughing the holder: 15 yards from the previous spot, plus automatic first down if not in conflict with other rules [S38 and S30]. Running into the kicker or holder: 5 yards from the previous spot [S30].

IF the foul was RNK, I would be shocked if the crew enforced the penalty improperly.

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Re: UIL - Specific Rule Changes/Proposals
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2025, 12:31:02 PM »
It was in the Mobile Bowl, Bowling Green and Arkansas St.

This is why I think it was asset wrong in the bowl game.  The rule in 9-1-16 reads below.  It says when running into the kicker it's 5 yards from the previous spot and says nothing about "or succeeding spot, deadball spot"

PENALTY—Roughing or any other personal foul against the kicker who is in the act or just after kicking the ball; or roughing the holder: 15 yards from the previous spot, plus automatic first down if not in conflict with other rules [S38 and S30]. Running into the kicker or holder: 5 yards from the previous spot [S30].

Please find video of the down with the foul, the penalty announcement, and the succeeding down. That will tell the tale.