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Numbering Exceptions
« on: May 21, 2026, 08:20:45 PM »
Answer this for me:

How do I know if end is a numbering exception?

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Re: Numbering Exceptions
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2026, 07:15:04 AM »
We have to know their numbers. If he is part of the 2x2, and any of his or his fellow linemen's numbers are not 50-79, they all all locked in as exceptions. Unless I'm missing something?

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Re: Numbering Exceptions
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2026, 09:14:24 AM »
Oh, I’m mostly just expressing my annoyance with the language regarding numbering exceptions, which goes back a long way. Although better than the current language, the original language (1985) wasn’t as good as it could have been.

The current language says that an exception “…may not be on the end of the line.” That makes it seem like Team A has to, somehow, designate which players are the exceptions. They might send out numbers 80 through 86 as linemen. How do I know which of those were put into the game as ‘exceptions’? For all I know, they want 80 and 86 to be the two ends, and the other 5 are to be exceptions. Then 81, who was put into the game as an exception, takes a position on the end. Then what?

Yeah. I know. The intent is that, “When Team A is in a scrimmage kick formation, all linemen numbered OTHER than 50-79 who are in positions between the ends when the snapper is established are exceptions to mandatory numbering.”
Gee, that was hard to write.
Then, quite properly, all the rest of the language specifies that, once a player becomes an exception, he must remain an exception, i.e., he must be on the line and between the ends when the ball is snapped, and is ineligible per 7-3-3.

And now, we have a good addition to the rule that requires that there be two linemen on EACH side of the snapper, and within/touching the tackle box, when Team A establishes a SKF. Apparently, all five of those players are ineligible - even if one of those “2x2” players is in an end position on that side of the line and wearing a number other than 50-79. So, say that. Geez.
It just ain’t that difficult.

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Re: Numbering Exceptions
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2026, 08:10:25 AM »
Answer this for me:

How do I know if end is a numbering exception?

You touched on this in your other post. I know the rule talks about replacing ineligible numbers with eligible numbers and those people are "numbering exceptions", but I've always found it easier to interpret the rule as "Just ignore the numbering rules on this play".  lol

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Re: Numbering Exceptions
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2026, 08:08:33 AM »
You touched on this in your other post. I know the rule talks about replacing ineligible numbers with eligible numbers and those people are "numbering exceptions", but I've always found it easier to interpret the rule as "Just ignore the numbering rules on this play".  lol

Formation-wise, yes.
If you have a 2x2 in the tackle box, then your formation is legal, always.* Numbers don't matter. So that's easy.
If you don't, then you get no numbering exceptions at all, you better have five 50-79. So that's easy too.
* as long as nobody in the 2x2 shifts

Eligibility-wise, though, there's one tricky part of the new rule, and it happens when the tackle is on the end. Suppose you have 2x2 but the left tackle is the end and you instead have two gunners on the right, both on the line so one is covered up. And suppose the left tackle's number is 4. Is he eligible?

It depends on the other linemen's numbers.
(1) If you have five 50-79 then there are no numbering exceptions, normal eligibility applies, and the tackle #4 is eligible because he's an end.
(2) If you don't, then you're using numbering exceptions, and everyone in the 2x2 is ineligible by rule, even if the tackle is an end.

Presumably teams would trot out (1) only rarely because their punt team has fast guys instead of big guys with 50-79... except for the fact that, by using the jersey switch technique, they could make tackle #4 eligible if they wanted.

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Re: Numbering Exceptions
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2026, 06:10:45 PM »
Somebody get authoritative answers to these questions:

4/10, A-40, 6:00 (1) and running, A=7, B=0. After the ball is ready for play, Team A assumes the following formation (^ = ball, A12 is at least 10 yards behind the NZ):
STEP 1
                           ^
89              87 85 99 84 82                80
                 

                      39      38  36


                           12

After all team A players have fully stopped for at least one full second, A36 moves onto the line:
STEP 2
                           ^
89              87 85 99 84 82      36      80
                 

                      39      38


                           12

After all team A players have fully stopped for at least one full second, A36 moves to the right end of the line, and, again all players stop for one full second and the ball is snapped:
STEP 3A
                           ^
89              87 85 99 84 82               80    36
                 

                      39      38


                           12

Legal formation?

By strict reading of the new rule language, and by text in the 2026 Redding Guide, the ONLY players that are allowed to be exceptions to mandatory numbering are the five "2x2" linemen. However, there is no rule that prohibits more than seven linemen. So, when A36 moves onto the line in Step 2, we know he is ineligible by position (interior lineman). But, is he a "exception to mandatory numbering?" By the new language, no. So, when he moves to the end of the line in Step 3A, is he now eligible?

Or, since he isn't an exception to mandatory numbering, is he allowed to do this (STEP 3B, move from the right slot to the left slot)?:
STEP 3B

                          ^
89      36   87 85 99 84 82                 80
                 

                      39      38


                          12

Or, is every lineman wearing a number other than 50-79 who is positioned between the ends an exception to mandatory numbering, but only the five "2x2" linemen are prohibited from changing positions on the line?


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Re: Numbering Exceptions
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2026, 11:02:02 AM »
May I add to your request and ask for some ARs, OPs, and a perhaps a thorough media video to go along with this?

In your example I'm hoping and thinking the 2x2 is locked by rule, so that the exceptions and the formation is clearly apparent to Team B, and that since the 2x2 is locked then A36 (or  89, 80, 39, 38) who are not part of the 2x2 can do any shifting to, on, off the line to another position all he wants prior to the snap. The only thing A36 can't do is shift into any "established" 2x2 position.

An earlier thread asked for a definition of "lined up" and "established" *other than the snapper* for the purposes of determining when Team A's 2x2 for the SKF formation is locked for recognition by Team B, officials, and the fans. If A87 or A82 comes to the line and initially has his feet and shoulder aligned perpendicular to the LOS, is he still "lined up" or "established" even though he does not meet 2-27-4-a?
Maybe is not a concern now, but not educating and messaging the media and fans who wont get these nuances may well lead to some otherwise avoidable and undesired social media attention when it gets called.

From a mechanical aspect, the other thought I had on your example is a coach is not obligated by rule to provide the numbering exceptions and positions for the official's game card in pregame or to abide by it even if provided.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2026, 11:06:07 AM by TxJim »
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Re: Numbering Exceptions
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2026, 01:38:34 PM »
OK, I believe I have answered my two primary questions on my own.

Play 3 from Shaw's "2026 NCAA Football Rules Book Language" bulletin gives me the logic for concluding that a) yes, Team A may have more than 7 linemen, and b) linemen between the ends other than the five lineman in the "2x2" positions, and wearing numbers other than 50-79, are, officially, NOT exceptions to mandatory numbering, and are NOT prohibited from changing positions. Here is Shaw's play situation:
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Play 3: On fourth down with potential punter A94 lined up 12 yards behind the snapper, Team A does not have five linemen numbered 50-79 in the game.  They line up in a 2 X 3 formation with A33 and A27 to the left of snapper A49, and A8, A31, and A18 to the right.  They have a gunner on each side of the field lined up on the line and three backs (including the punter) in place.  Prior to the snap, Team A (a) shifts A33 one yard back off the line of scrimmage, or (b) shifts A18 one yard back off the line of scrimmage. A49 snaps the ball and A94 kicks the ball through the end zone for a touchback.  RULING: (a) Team A has committed a foul for Illegal Formation since A33 shifted out of the 2 X 2 formation prior to the snap.  (b) There is no foul since the 2 X 2 formation remains with A33, A27, A49, A8 and A31 in position and Team A has no more than four backs. 
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Looks like this (I selected numbers for the 'gunners' and the two backs other than the potential kicker):

                      ^
89        33 27 49 8 31 18        88
           
                35       29
 

                      94 

After all Team A players have taken their positions above and fully stopped for one full second, A18 moves into the backfield and stops, then the ball is snapped:
                      ^
89        33 27 49 8 31            88
                                18
                35       29
 

                      94

(The play situation language used the term 'shifts' when referring to A18's move from the line to the backfield. If another player also moved, then, yes, that would be a 'shift,' as defined, and the entire team would have to fully stop and pause for one full second before the ball could be legally snapped. I have assumed that A18 was the only Team A player moving, and had, at least, fully stopped before the ball was snapped.)

By the ruling provided: "There is no foul since the 2 X 2 formation remains with A33, A27, A49, A8 and A31 in position and Team A has no more than four backs." we can conclude that A18 was not a numbering exception when he was on the line. Therefore, he is not prohibited from moving to a different position. Although not specifically addressed in Shaw's play situations, IMHO, it is reasonable to conclude that, since A18 is not a numbering exception, he could have also moved to the opposite side of the line (but not displacing any of the "2x2" linemen), or moved to an end position, and, thus, become an eligible player. Team A simply must know that only backs, and ends wearing an eligible number is ever eligible at the snap. If A18 moves to an end position (covering A88, for example), then he is eligible, and A88 is not eligible.

So, at this point, I believe I have a full grip on the rule change. Without these Play situations, it would have been very hard to arrive at these conclusions, with the language as it is. But, the language and the play situations (which I certainly hope become ARs), combined, give us the info we need.

Actually, I don't have a full grip.
The issue is who are "numbering exceptions." We keep thinking all 5 linemen in the "2 X 2" are numbering exceptions - regardless of actual number. I don't think that is true. Previously, an 'exception' was a lineman BETWEEN THE ENDS wearing a number other than 50-79. Once they were established (by the snapper addressing the ball), they had to be on the line and between the ends at the snap, and they were ineligible for the entire down. But, they were allowed change position(s) and/or shift all they wanted to, as long as they were still on the line and between the ends at the snap. A player wearing a number 50-79 was never treated as an 'exception,' because they weren't - and they still are NOT.

For 2026, a lineman wearing a number other than 50-79, who is positioned within or touching any part of the playing field within the tackle box for in a scrimmage kick formation is an 'exception to mandatory numbering.'
All well and good.
But, since a player wearing a number 50-79 is NOT an 'exception' to mandatory numbering (they ARE mandatory numbering!), they would not seem to be restricted in their ability to change position(s) and/or participate in a shift, even if they are, initially, in the "2 X 2". The new rule language would not seem to prohibit such players from a) moving into the backfield, b) moving to a line position outside outside the tackle box, including the end of the line.
If they want all 5 players in the "2 X 2", irrespective of numbering, to be "locked in" to their positions after the snapper is established, then they need to say that. Something like:

(a) Team A must have the snapper, and two linemen on each side of the snapper, positioned within, or touching, the tackle box (2 X 2 formation). This 2 X 2 formation becomes established when the snapper assumes his position as a lineman at the ball.
(b) After the 2 X 2 formation is established, the linemen in the 2 X 2 formation, regardless of numbering, may not move to another position anywhere in the team's overall formation.
(c) Linemen who assume positions in the 2 X 2 formation who are wearing numbers other than 50-79 become exceptions to mandatory numbering, and are ineligible by position.

But, I honestly don't think that is the intent. I think the linemen restricted in their positioning in the 2 X 2 formation are the numbering exceptions. Who cares if A66 moves from 'guard' to 'punt protector'? That doesn't fool anybody as to eligibility. I'm OK with 'exceptions' getting locked in, once established. But players with ineligible numbers aren't fooling anybody.

Hopefully, we'll get answers to these questions before late August.




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Re: Numbering Exceptions
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2026, 10:45:15 PM »
OK, I’ll try to keep this short.
As always
In ANY formation on any down, if Team A has 5 linemen numbered 50-79, the entire team is not restricted in their ability to change positions and/or participate in a shift (as defined). As always, ineligible linemen who place their hand(s) on/near the ground are prohibited from lifting their hand(s) from on/near the ground, and they may not make a quick/jerky movement (those are dead-ball false starts). No different than before.
New
After the ball is ready for play, when Team A is in a scrimmage kick formation (as defined), they are allowed to have exceptions to mandatory numbering, IF they have two linemen on each side of the snapper, and the snapper and the required four linemen are positioned within/touching the tackle box (a “2 X 2” formation). The snapper and any/all linemen in the “2 X 2” formation wearing numbers other than 50-79 are “exceptions to mandatory numbering,” and are ineligible by position (including when in an end position). When there is one or more exception(s), and each of those four linemen who are not the snapper, are, individually, first in their positions in the “2 X 2” formation after the snapper is established, those linemen, regardless of their numbering, may not move, or shift, to a different position on the line (within or outside of the tackle box), or into the backfield. (See 7-1-2-b-2 for the restriction on the snapper changing positions.) Infractions of this rule are live-ball fouls for Illegal Formation, and the penalty is 5-yards from the previous spot (or from the spot where the dead-ball belongs to Team B if the foul occurs during a legal scrimmage kick down (not a field goal attempt) and the kicked ball crosses the neutral zone).

That’s as brief as I can make it, and I am 100% confident everything above is true and accurate.
But, as I was writing this I realized one more issue: substitutions. I don’t know what is allowed/prohibited regarding substitutions for these players in the “2 X 2.” I am pretty sure I know what this will be, but I am not going to speculate. I will “reach out” to a knowledgeable source to see if I can understand the relationship between the “2 X 2” and substiutions.