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Offline blindref757

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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2010, 08:41:26 PM »
I created a fictitious name to register under and can see the list.

Are you charles breit?   ;D

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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2010, 08:59:37 PM »
Ones I see I know are registered in basketball but do football. I see no football only ones I know from my group.

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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2010, 09:16:07 PM »
Ones I see I know are registered in basketball but do football. I see no football only ones I know from my group.


The only people from Houston that I saw were Basketball and Football officials, but not all of the double dippers that I know of were listed???  Will look at it in more detail at work tomorrow.  There is no problem posting this information.  I just wish some of the people that are in support of posting it would have been more supporting of me when I posted TT teaching certificates last year.  It is time to go to the mattresses people.  Either get on board now or be the UIL's chew toy in the future.

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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2010, 09:37:30 PM »
If the UIL locks us out, it will be the best thing that ever happened to us.  The only way TASO survives is for A LOT of week 10 games to be canceled.  The UIL is run by a dictator that will not listen to reason. 

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2010, 09:52:11 PM »
Why is nobody having a fit that the Texas Association of Coaches did not show up in TASO's behalf at the big meeting? Could it be they really don't give a damn? Thats my guess. C'mon Fitch write another big rah rah letter to keep the troops together, because they are starting to get away from ya. Good luck.

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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2010, 09:57:16 PM »
It may be just as telling that they did not show to support UIL either.  Furthetmore, the memo is UIL's take on what was said or not said.  How do we know that is an accurate depiction of the truth?  And why wasn't there a "joint statement" as promised?  Could it be TASO did not see/hear what UIL "saw/heard"?

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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2010, 10:05:32 PM »
I will say this I did register with the UIL I did not JOIN the UIL.  I have said from the get go that I don't have any issue with a shared responsibility. There was not a requirement to quit TASO or i would not have done so. I agreed to call the 2010 football season and i will not be a party of ending a kids season . Its not thier fight. If next season noone has renewed registration then thats one thing. But this year is planned and kids expect me to make sure I am on the field so they can have that Boys of Fall moment.  I have been and continue to be a TASO supporter. I hope they prevail. But if all i am required to do for the uil is send them my name whats the big deal. When the season is over and I have completed my commitment then that will be the time to decide if we should go on. Thats my stance like it or not I'm here to call football If taso survives I will be thrilled if not I will call football and hope the next organization does right by us guys in stripes.
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2010, 10:06:02 PM »
Who was it that promised the joint statement? That would be TASO. Same ole sh*t, different day. Nothing has changed except the TASO sh*t pile has gotten taller. Thank the Lord, UIL is taking over!!!!

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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2010, 10:13:14 PM »
When the season is over and I have completed my commitment then that will be the time to decide if we should go on. Thats my stance like it or not I'm here to call football If taso survives I will be thrilled if not I will call football and hope the next organization does right by us guys in stripes.
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That is the statement of the year and mark my words......THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE REST OF THE STATE WILL REACT TO THE UIL'S NEW LEADERSHIP. Proceed Dr. B and Mr. Timmons.

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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2010, 10:35:33 PM »
I will say this I did register with the UIL I did not JOIN the UIL.  I have said from the get go that I don't have any issue with a shared responsibility. There was not a requirement to quit TASO or i would not have done so. I agreed to call the 2010 football season and i will not be a party of ending a kids season . Its not thier fight. If next season noone has renewed registration then thats one thing. But this year is planned and kids expect me to make sure I am on the field so they can have that Boys of Fall moment.  I have been and continue to be a TASO supporter. I hope they prevail. But if all i am required to do for the uil is send them my name whats the big deal. When the season is over and I have completed my commitment then that will be the time to decide if we should go on. Thats my stance like it or not I'm here to call football If taso survives I will be thrilled if not I will call football and hope the next organization does right by us guys in stripes.
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  My biggest concern is that you, and anyone who registers, is buying the proverbial pig in the poke.  Unless and until the UIL clarifies all of its expectations for me as an official, I cannot tell if it is a good deal, bad deal or neutral.  For example, by "registering" are you know subject to being called to Austin if someone does not like a call that you have made, or an improper enforcement that costs a team a game ending score?  Can the UIL decide that your conduct, on the field or off, merits your no longer being allowed to be registered?  What rights to you have in those scenarios?  Who do you get to appeal to?

  Until the UIL clarifies what its "expectations" are for registered officials, and what the polices, if any, are going to be, anyone who subjects themselves to the UIL system may find that they regret that decision.

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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2010, 11:03:47 PM »
Ornery1 - again I come back to the same question I have asked of every UIL supporter, and have yet to receive an answer.  Why is the UIL a much better option than TASO?  What is the reason I should support their takeover of officiating?  I am open to reasoning, but I have yet to hear any.  Perhaps you can be the one to enlighten me.

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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2010, 11:11:45 PM »
Very short list Doc.  At the current rate that folks are running over there to sign up it certainly appears that there will be tons of games not covered by UIL officials.  I guarantee you that we will be working games as non-UIL registered officials.  It appears that the UIL plan is sure to fail considering how short that list is. 

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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2010, 11:52:47 PM »
By making it free to register they make it even easier to drop you if they choose to, with no "due process" at all.

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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2010, 12:54:08 AM »
It was refiled. See below:

September 8, 2010
In last week’s update I advised you that in return for the UIL’s apparent willingness to continue our discussions, TASO would hold off in refiling our law suit to prevent their hostile takeover attempt of Texas High School Officiating. All along we knew that this could be a stalling tactic and would be prepared to respond at any time.
Late last week it became apparent that the UIL has no intention to attempt to reach any form of negotiated agreement. As you may know they opened up the Registration Process at their web site early on Monday morning and sent e-mails to all of the officials that they have managed to secure (by whatever means possible) e-mail addresses.
I will say, that they were kind enough to give me advanced notice … I received an e-mail at 12:42 AM on Monday Morning. I imagine they were surprised to find a reply from me less than an hour later.
Yesterday TASO refiled the law suit as outlined by the Third Court of Appeals in their decision on August 27th. The next step will be to schedule a hearing to seek a Temporary Injunction to stop the UIL registration process. This hearing will be scheduled ASAP.
On Tuesday we requested a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) to halt the UIL Registration process pending the hearing for an Injunction. In order for a TRO to be granted a party must show that irreparable harm will result in the absence of the TRO. Based on the fact that the registration deadline is not until November 1, and TASO officials may work UIL games until that point, it really came as no surprise that the TRO request was denied.
Be assured that we will aggressively seek to secure the Temporary Injunction to halt the hostile takeover attempt by the same governing body that is controlled by the public school districts. If this is allowed to happen, the independence of the high school sports officials in Texas will be lost.
It is also important to remember this. Our first suit was dismissed on a technicality, not the merits of the case. The Appeals Court stated in their decision “We express no opinion on the merits of TASO’s ultra vires claims, including whether, in the event that TASO brought these claims against a government officer acting in an official capacity, it could “allege, and ultimately prove, that the officer acted without legal authority or failed to perform a purely ministerial act.”
 
Also not to be forgotten is that when the four decisions have been issued by both the trial and appellate court based on material facts of the case, TASO has won all four.
 
Many of you have been told that you must quickly register with the UIL and that it will be in the best interest of your Chapter to do so. This is just not true. Then deadline is currently November 1st, it makes no difference if you register now or October 31st. If it does, then you should question the motives. It is more likely that those who are urging you to register immediately are doing so for their own self gain.
I urge you to take your time and consider all the facts. Ask yourself why the UIL is so dead set in controlling high school officiating. They say they are not going to charge any money to register … this year, but make no promises about next year, or the next. Why is that? I think I know, but I’ll let you come to your own conclusion.
 I have asked dozens of UIL supporters why they are so pro UIL. Typically the answer I get is simple, it’s that they make play off assignments. I hear a few others, but not a single answer has ever addressed the well being of the body of high school officials … and more importantly, not to the betterment of the student athlete.
In the past week, I have received more than 100 e-mails and phone calls of support for our members. I am encouraged and strengthen by your support. I am more convinced than ever that the over whelming majority of our members want TASO to remain an independent organization OF officials, BY officials and FOR officials.
More later.
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It really should come as no surprise that TASO had no other discernible option other than to refile the lawsuit against the UIL. The little joint meeting turned out to pretty much be a dog and morons show(and with all due respect to both those entities) orchestrated by the Manor Road Crowd. They had no intention, even from the "git-go" of even thinking about negotiating with TASO; this little soiree was put together by the  tiphat: Good UIL Dr. so they could show their childishness in flexing their muscles with TASO right in front of the Legislative Council, probably for their own amusement!

I have stated many times that Fitch and TASO had no business attending such a meeting because there was virtually nothing there for TASO to positively negotiate for. Perhaps Mr. Schumann wanted our attendance there to later show the court how warmly received our organization was. I'm beginning to think that everyone over there on Manor Road that is in any kind of a leadership position has to meet their heralded prerequisite requirement of smelling like a rectum. Now it's more than apparent that we have living proof of that!

As far as the people on the list is concerned, I only noticed one or two from the Greater Houston area, and I could really care less if they choose to go over there! But 7,000 registered could be accurate given the fact that the UIL has already exercised its takeover in the sports other than football. But then again, that number does seem rather far-fetched! I still feel that there could well be the potential for a massive statewide lockout in Week 10 provided that no restraining order is issued by the new trial court. And just maybe that's exactly what the UIL needs; because they sure seem to be overtly asking for it!

I, for one, will not register and will never give any semblence of loyalty to anyone in the UIL. I have had a most stellar officiating career and will just go about devoting the balance of my life and time to my Lord and Saviour and to my family and dear friends. I see the type of people that seemingly offers up leadership within their organization and they are  obviously not what I'd call God-fearing people~ they are nothing more than a group of manipulative bullies who want to have their way so that they can help siphon off even more of the athletic buck in the state of Texas just to perpetuate the more than sorry existence of the UIL!   z^
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Re: Just recieved this....Free Registration
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2010, 05:49:19 AM »
I will say this I did register with the UIL I did not JOIN the UIL.  I have said from the get go that I don't have any issue with a shared responsibility. There was not a requirement to quit TASO or i would not have done so. I agreed to call the 2010 football season and i will not be a party of ending a kids season . Its not thier fight. If next season noone has renewed registration then thats one thing. But this year is planned and kids expect me to make sure I am on the field so they can have that Boys of Fall moment.  I have been and continue to be a TASO supporter. I hope they prevail. But if all i am required to do for the uil is send them my name whats the big deal. When the season is over and I have completed my commitment then that will be the time to decide if we should go on. Thats my stance like it or not I'm here to call football If taso survives I will be thrilled if not I will call football and hope the next organization does right by us guys in stripes.

I'm not saying you are wrong...I admire your dedication and I respect how you have served our chapter and your guys very well since you took over your crew.  You are an excellent leader.

However, I look at this much differently.  I am planning on going to work my week 10 game as an unregistered official.  If the school tells me not to show up, I did not let the kids down...the schools and the UIL did.  I feel that the best thing we as officials can do to help TASO is to refuse to go on that list--whatever the cost. 

There are a lot of things that I like about the UIL's governance--being in a small chapter, the one chapter one vote set up is appealing.  I have a ton of questions about the "accountability" issue.  But my #1 fear is Tony Timmons.  He had a perfect opportunity to use honey instead of vinegar to attract some flies this week...and he used extortion to try and lure another registration.  He refused to wait another day for Fitch to reply to his "joint statement", and alienated even more folks.  From everything I've seen, that is his M-O in everything he encounters.  If you were interviewing for a job, and got that vibe from the guy interviewing you, you'd have to think twice about going to work for that type of person.  That's where I'm at. 

Enjoy working Thursday, Friday, and Saturday on week 10!  My daughter is a Sr. in HS and I'll be watching her march in the band and cheering for her team!

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Re: Just recieved this....Free Registration
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2010, 07:10:25 AM »
I believe that any deadline imposed by the UIL for this current year was wrong. The season has been scheduled and planned. Dues have been paid and Crews have been assigned. I could have taken a stand and said no. However as i've said i don't want kids to pay for our inability to communicate with each other. I do not like the way any of this has been handled and both groups have plenty of fingers to point at the other side. We have been waiting on that joint statement. They both agree to send out a joint statement and it doesn't happen. If a joint statement was aggred upon then some compromises or understandings must have been accomplished. Why not tell us what you know good, bad or indifferent that day. No news is not always good news.
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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2010, 07:26:16 AM »
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Don't exactly be expecting to lay your eyes anytime soon on that "joint statement!" After all, the lawsuit has already been refiled with all of the "i's" dotted and the "t's" crossed, and with the  tiphat: Good UIL Dr. and several of his protoge's named as defendents!    z^

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« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2010, 07:53:23 AM »
^flag

Don't exactly be expecting to lay your eyes anytime soon on that "joint statement!" After all, the lawsuit has already been refiled with all of the "i's" dotted and the "t's" crossed, and with the  tiphat: Good UIL Dr. and several of his protoge's named as defendents!    z^
  Has anyone seen a copy of the new suit?  It does not appear that files in Travis County are on-line.

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« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2010, 07:58:29 AM »
Im sorry to say that my name is on the list because of Basketball. Since they have already taken over Basketball. I always have the Right Not to Call Football next year if I do not agree with there policies. and if Im Call to Austin for any reason I can Always Tell Them To Kiss My @##and resign.  Like I said before There taking over for the MONEY. What started all the s### any way
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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2010, 07:59:05 AM »
I expect Nov 1 they will not push the registration requirement but come playoff they will.

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« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2010, 08:06:21 AM »
rick, the UIL might not, but what about one of the few teams on the outside looking in on the playoffs.  If another school got in, and they were sitting at home, if they can tell that the other school used "unregistered" officials, I would guess that they would be looking to question the validity of the contest under UIL rules.

I haven't found anything yet that Greyhat has said I disagree with on this matter.


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« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2010, 10:03:20 AM »
  Has anyone seen a copy of the new suit?  It does not appear that files in Travis County are on-line.

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DallasLJ: I haven't seen a copy of the lawsuit but I've heard a little bit about it. Like the initial lawsuit, it took a little while for that info to actually post up on the Travis County Courts website, but once it was there, it was actually pretty easy to keep up with. Anyone that gets access to that info would do us all an immense service by posting it here. After all, while all-out war is being waged against the Manor Road Minions, the TASO troops would like to know the current layout of the battlefield!   z^

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« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2010, 10:31:22 AM »
To register or not?

Register:  it's free, you get to work playoff games and your week 10 assignment.

Not:  Registration is step one towards regulation - in fact, regulation is probably spitting distance from registration.  While debating this, I think it is very important to note that, although registration is free THIS YEAR, the changes to Rule 1204 the UIL attempted to institute last year will be in place - including the Officials Rules Compliance Program, The UIL's Code of Ethics, and the UIL's plan to takeover TASO.  Also worth noting, a violation of the Code of Ethics is failure to cooperate with the UIL (ie better do what they say).  I've said it before, and I will say it again, "It is worth forgoing Week 10 and this year's playoffs for decades more of TASO."

Some great Mr. Timmons' quotes (from the first lawsuit):

preference would be given to UIL registered officials over TASO registered officials in game assignments;

that, because of the recent rule changes in the UIL documents, “you won’t find the word TASO in there with a telescope”;

if, next year, officials want to officiate a game, “they must be with the UIL or they will not be on the floor”;

UIL intends to provide the same services currently provided by TASO;

that, in the coming year, all officials “will be with the UIL – period.”

for those officials who did not comply with the new UIL registration scheme, it would be “bye-bye”;

that the UIL intended to make “drastic changes” for officials in the coming years.

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« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2010, 11:13:25 AM »
Im sorry to say that my name is on the list because of Basketball. Since they have already taken over Basketball. I always have the Right Not to Call Football next year if I do not agree with there policies. and if Im Call to Austin for any reason I can Always Tell Them To Kiss My @##and resign.  Like I said before There taking over for the MONEY. What started all the s### any way

Unless someones pays for my expenses and lost salary and asks my boss if i can have the day off i'm not driving to Austin....i have a cell phone...
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« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2010, 11:17:55 AM »
You refuse to go and they pull your "registration" and you are done.  That is your "due process".

And for you who complained to Grant about "the list", what are you ashamed of?
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