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Have We Lost Our Minds?!?!?!?
« on: May 12, 2011, 04:32:11 PM »
Texas Taxpayers Finance Formula One Auto Races as Schools Dismiss Teachers

 By Darrell Preston and Aaron Kuriloff - May 11, 2011 11:43 AM CDT

The "Circuit of the Americas" 3.4 mile long Formula One auto racing track, now under construction in Austin, Texas, U.S., is seen in this artist's rendering. Source: Circuit of the Americas via Bloomberg

Texas, which may balance its budget by firing thousands of teachers, plans to commit $25 million in state funds to Formula One auto racing each year for a decade.

Four years after motorsports’ most popular series left the U.S., Texas investors including Clear Channel Communications Inc. co-founder B.J. “Red” McCombs are building a 3.4-mile (5.5-kilometer) track to bring the event to Austin. Comptroller Susan Combs has agreed to pay $25 million for races through 2022, a subsidy questioned by critics and lawmakers as the state cuts costs to close an estimated $15 billion two-year deficit.

“I don’t understand why 25 people in Austin could not put up $1 million each if they thought this was a good opportunity instead of the state making a $25 million commitment,” said Senator Dan Patrick, a Houston Republican. “The developers should find the money through private sources.”

As many as 100,000 teachers in Texas may be fired because of spending cuts to cope with the state’s budget crisis, according to Moak Casey & Associates, an Austin-based education consultant. For $25 million a year, the state could pay more than 500 teachers an average salary of $48,000.

“I have to wonder why the state of Texas is all over funding for this racetrack and not the school-funding crisis,” said Ewa Siwak, 44, who teaches German in the Austin Independent School District and whose job at Bowie High School is being cut. “Tax dollars for education should be a higher priority.”

No Traction

Formula One races have failed to gain traction previously in the U.S. Since the 1970s, the series has been hosted by Long Beach, California, as well as Las Vegas, Detroit, Dallas, Phoenix and, most recently, Indianapolis. The races there ended in 2007 on declining attendance.

With 20 million Texans within 250 miles of Austin and a growing Formula One fan base in Mexico, the city’s annual race will be successful, Steve Sexton, president of track developer Circuit of the Americas LLC, said in a telephone interview.

By building the Circuit of the Americas track, backers aim to attract automakers such as Fiat SpA (F)’s Ferrari Group, Renault SA (RNO) and Daimler AG (DAI)’s Mercedes that compete in Catalonia, Shanghai and Istanbul. Racing-team owners include U.K. billionaire Richard Branson and Indian liquor magnate Vijay Mallya. Races from Montreal to Sao Paulo draw thousands of fans, including those paying $1,200 apiece for a seat in Monaco’s grandstands.

Each race in Austin is projected to generate enough tax revenue to recoup the $25 million from a state Event Trust Fund pool, according to Allen Spelce, a spokesman for Combs, a Republican. He said the plan calls for putting the $25 million into a revolving account for paying annual event-related costs.

$250 Million Subsidy

If the financing works as projected, the decision will use $250 million in state tax revenue for the races over 10 years.

“With places struggling, spending that much money on an essentially one-off event is tough to do,” said Michael Cramer, a former president of baseball’s Texas Rangers and hockey’s Dallas Stars who runs the sports and media program at the University of Texas at Austin. “It’s a very high cost of entry.”

Texas, like other states cutting budgets for schools, nursing homes and basic services, uses economic-development spending to bring in jobs and seed growth. That often involves giving up tax revenue generated by a project to pay part of the cost. New Jersey is providing $200 million of tax-increment financing to help develop the American Dream in the Meadowlands, which will be the biggest mall in the U.S. when it opens.

“I’m not sure of the wisdom of using tax dollars to fund a racetrack,” said Siwak, the Austin teacher. “They’re giving so much tax dollars away I don’t think they could make it up with the racetrack.”

Economic Outlook

Combs’s office estimates a Formula One race in Austin next year will spur $300 million of spending, Spelce said in an e- mailed statement. Construction of the $242 million track, which has begun, is projected to add 1,300 temporary jobs and pump $400 million into the economy. The venue will seat 120,000 fans.

The state isn’t investing in the track development, Spelce said in the e-mail. He said the Legislature authorized the use of the money from the Major Events Trust Fund in 2009.

“The funding generated by the activity offsets the state’s investment,” Spelce said. “It is important that the state continue to generate new economic activity to ensure that Texas continues to grow.”

Formula One racing attracts the wealthy who sponsor teams and draws fans from around the world, said Zak Brown, chief executive officer of Just Marketing Inc., an agency based in Zionsville, Indiana. JMI, as it’s known, focuses on motorsports.

Sport for Wealthy

“It’s a lifestyle of the rich and famous,” Brown said in a telephone interview. “The whole industry has a lot of wealth around it, a lot of politics.”

The cost of holding races has made it too expensive for sponsors without a public subsidy, said Mark Cipolloni, president of AutoRacing1 Inc. in Robbinsville, New Jersey. The company runs a website that covers motorsports.

“It isn’t cost-effective for an independent race,” Cipolloni said. “Most races in major cities wouldn’t be held without public support.”

The state’s $25 million is being paid to London-based Formula One Management Ltd. to hold the race in Austin, Sexton said. Formula One, owned by London-based CVC Capital Partners Ltd., a private-equity firm, is run by Bernie Ecclestone, the chief executive officer of the series.

“It’s going to Mr. Ecclestone and Formula One to get them to bring the event here,” Sexton said.

Outside Intended Use

Paying such a fee goes beyond the intended use of the state fund, which was set up to support bringing annual events to Texas by rebating increased taxes they generate to cover costs including security and traffic control, said Richard Viktorin, an accountant with Audits in the Public Interest. The Austin- based group opposes government support for the races.

In the past, the event fund has been used to subsidize professional football’s Super Bowl championship game, college basketball’s Final Four tournament and business meetings such as a Chick-fil-A Inc. convention.

“It’s off-balance-sheet financing for a rich man’s sport,” Viktorin said. Combs is “supposed to be a fiscal officer for the state. She’s not controlling that fund.”

Formula One participants and sponsors have wanted to return to the U.S. since 2007, when the last race was run in Indianapolis, Ecclestone said in a telephone interview. Indianapolis began hosting the event in 2000. Interest waned after defective tires led most entrants to withdraw in 2005.

U.S. Venue

“No one wanted to hold it,” Ecclestone said, until the Austin promoters stepped in. “Carmakers and team sponsors are also keen to have a race in the U.S. to help leverage their backing of teams.”

Formula One’s popularity has declined in the U.S., partly because there haven’t been any races in the country in recent years and partly from a lack of successful American drivers since Eddie Cheever and Mario Andretti, JMI’s Brown said.

“It’s moved around,” said Brown, who praised the Austin track’s design. “There was a 10-year period where there was no Grand Prix,” or Formula One race, in the U.S, he said.

The Austin event is expected to benefit from its proximity to Mexico and South America, where the series has grown in popularity, said Ecclestone. Austin’s city government also may invest $4 million a year in tax revenue to facilitate the event, the Austin-American Statesman reported. The city hasn’t been asked to provide any incentives, said Matt Curtis, a spokesman for Mayor Lee Leffingwell.

Tourism ‘Booster’

“It’s going to be a major booster in our convention and tourism industry,” Curtis said. The “return is very significant.”

Formula One races won’t be the track’s only use. Developers have booked international championship motorcycle races, called MotoGP, starting in 2013, Sexton said. He said they’re also trying to bring in concerts, conferences and other events.

Austin and the state are unlikely to recover their investment directly, Cipolloni said. However, the race will expose the city to a wide audience of tourists and executives that could help recruit companies and create jobs, he said.

“They won’t collect tax money equal to the $25 million” from the state, Cipolloni said. “It’s just a way to get exposure for the city.”

Sexton, a former president of Churchill Downs Inc. (CHDN)’s horse track in Louisville, Kentucky, which hosts the Kentucky Derby, agreed that events at the Austin circuit will do more than just generate new tax revenue.

“It will bring in an affluent audience that has never been to the city,” Sexton said. “It should have a substantial economic impact.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Darrell Preston in Dallas at dpreston@bloomberg.net; Aaron Kuriloff in New York at akuriloff@bloomberg.net.

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Re: Have We Lost Our Minds?!?!?!?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 04:46:42 PM »
Ridiculous.


I also saw that a school in San Antonio installed nanny cams to observe what the kids put on their lunch plates to count calories.   Jeeeez Louise...........................
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 05:19:51 PM »
Yep, 2 million for the lunchroom fiasco.  Although I think that came from federal funds.

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 06:12:55 PM »
As a teacher here in Texas, I can understand why our kids do so poorly on standardized test. They are not expected to. It is oblivious that governor “good hair” would rather have racing in this great state instead of kids you can read and do math. Next time a kid ask you what down is it and you point to the down box and you get a puzzeled look, you'll know why.

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 01:08:17 PM »
pretty much sums up the answer to the title question.... IMHO

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 01:33:08 PM »
Okay Mark, except it is those elephants pushing for the racetrack.  Simply idiotic.

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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 01:37:36 PM »
Okay Mark, except it is those elephants pushing for the racetrack.  Simply idiotic.
agreed it is idiotic......

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 11:02:50 PM »
Rick Perry Sucks...and I'm not a donkey!

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 11:26:06 PM »
Rick Perry Sucks...and I'm not a donkey!

  This program has nothing to do with Rick Perry.  This is about local school district control -- and federal funds.  The State has nothing to do with this one.

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2011, 10:37:08 PM »
When the state politicians passed a lower property tax bill in 2006, they took away revenue from the schools.  Now, 5 years later, there isn't enough money to fund the school systems.  Simple solution - increase property taxes back to where they were.  My state rep wouldn't vote for it because she said it would "hurt businesses moving to Texas."  Sent her an e-mail stating that she just lost my vote and WHOEVER ran against her would have a sign in my yard.  So companies relocate here due to tax credits.  Their employees are now having their children in one of the worst school systems in the country.  THAT should make them happy!  I'm a die hard Republican, but when we put big business ahead of funding education, I've had it.  If Boufant Betty (Ann Richards) was still alive, as much as I thought her to be joke of a governor, I would cast my vote for her over the Hair-God Aggie Cheerleader, Rick Perry.

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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2011, 11:02:48 PM »
When the state politicians passed a lower property tax bill in 2006, they took away revenue from the schools.  Now, 5 years later, there isn't enough money to fund the school systems.  Simple solution - increase property taxes back to where they were.  My state rep wouldn't vote for it because she said it would "hurt businesses moving to Texas."  Sent her an e-mail stating that she just lost my vote and WHOEVER ran against her would have a sign in my yard.  So companies relocate here due to tax credits.  Their employees are now having their children in one of the worst school systems in the country.  THAT should make them happy!  I'm a die hard Republican, but when we put big business ahead of funding education, I've had it.  If Boufant Betty (Ann Richards) was still alive, as much as I thought her to be joke of a governor, I would cast my vote for her over the Hair-God Aggie Cheerleader, Rick Perry.

Lower property tax?  They must have skipped my town because mine have been steadily climbing each year I have been in this house for that last 10 years. 

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2011, 11:41:38 AM »
When the state politicians passed a lower property tax bill in 2006, they took away revenue from the schools.  Now, 5 years later, there isn't enough money to fund the school systems.  Simple solution - increase property taxes back to where they were.  My state rep wouldn't vote for it because she said it would "hurt businesses moving to Texas."  Sent her an e-mail stating that she just lost my vote and WHOEVER ran against her would have a sign in my yard.  So companies relocate here due to tax credits.  Their employees are now having their children in one of the worst school systems in the country.  THAT should make them happy!  I'm a die hard Republican, but when we put big business ahead of funding education, I've had it.  If Boufant Betty (Ann Richards) was still alive, as much as I thought her to be joke of a governor, I would cast my vote for her over the Hair-God Aggie Cheerleader, Rick Perry.

Check your facts:  Texas ranked 8th in the nation in performance K-12.  And yes, tax abatements are a large reasons for companies to relocate.

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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2011, 11:42:56 AM »
Lower property tax?  They must have skipped my town because mine have been steadily climbing each year I have been in this house for that last 10 years. 

Jason,

I bet your tax rate has remained constant, but your assessed value has climbed.  That is the case with me.

Best regards,

Brad

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2011, 01:35:35 PM »
  Their employees are now having their children in one of the worst school systems in the country.  

What study or report are you basing this comment on?   And I am not even sure there is a reliable and valid way to compare state educational perforance.  There are probably individual ISD's (or even schools) in Texas that are among the worst in the country but also some that are among the best. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2011, 07:58:54 PM »
What study or report are you basing this comment on?   And I am not even sure there is a reliable and valid way to compare state educational perforance.  There are probably individual ISD's (or even schools) in Texas that are among the worst in the country but also some that are among the best. 

http://professionals.collegeboard.com/data-reports-research/sat/cb-seniors-2010

These are mean scores for those that took SAT tests from Public schools in 2010.

I'm not going to post every state, however, here are a few:

            Critical Reading          Math            Writing
AL                549                   547                 537
AZ                518                   526                 498
CA                501                   520                 499
CT                505                   510                 510
FL                494                   497                  476
GA               484                   487                  471
IL                589                   610                  581
IA                616                   627                 596
KS               604                    603                 580
KY               578                    585                 563
LA               549                   545                  533
MS               556                   537                 544
NM              542                   538                  520
OK              568                   570                  544
VA              511                   513                  496

TX              481                    504                  469

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Mean           501                   516                  492

Maybe using the term "worst" was a little harsh, but Texas is not at the top, as evidenced by these numbers.

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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2011, 09:08:58 PM »
This is only one way to "rank" states.  And if you know anything about these tests and who takes them you know there is great variability among states and even within states as to who takes the tests. 

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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2011, 12:20:10 PM »
I'm having some heartburn with this report Brad.  How can Vermont be #1 in performance, yet they get a D in educational reform?  Hell, if it isn't broke, don't fix it!  Other than that, very interesting info.

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2011, 12:26:27 PM »
Like so many of these types of studies, they are flawed at the outset.  They go in thinking you can make a meaningful state-by-state comparison.  That is simply false. There is way too much diversity in each state to make any kind of general statements or ranks on an entire state.

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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2011, 10:14:41 PM »
Like so many of these types of studies, they are flawed at the outset.  They go in thinking you can make a meaningful state-by-state comparison.  That is simply false. There is way too much diversity in each state to make any kind of general statements or ranks on an entire state.
So, if I assume that by my using SAT scores, which are, from what I understand, standardized, and given to students from public schools, the fact that Texas ranks below numerous other states, and below the national mean, means virtually nothing, you would also have to agree that SACTFI's claim that Texas being ranked eighth in the nation, by whatever study he elected to use, ALSO means absolutely nothing.  Right?  Must be, because according to you, "these types of studies are flawed at the outset."  If so, end of discussion.   

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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2011, 10:18:37 PM »
My comments apply to the study he cited as well as the one you stated.  Bottom line is are the citizens of this State getting their money's worth?

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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2011, 10:23:08 PM »
My comments apply to the study he cited as well as the one you stated.  Bottom line is are the citizens of this State getting their money's worth?

If the government is involved, then we ain't getting our money's worth.

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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2011, 11:04:22 PM »
As a teacher here in Texas, I can understand why our kids do so poorly on standardized test. They are not expected to. It is oblivious that governor “good hair” would rather have racing in this great state instead of kids you can read and do math. Next time a kid ask you what down is it and you point to the down box and you get a puzzeled look, you'll know why.

If this is what is being taught, then no wonder the "Writing" portion of the SAT scores are low.

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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 01:10:03 AM »
Here in Sacramento they want to build a new arena for almost $400 million to keep the losers (oops, I meant the Kings) here but the City of Sacramento is talking about laying off 100 police officer and 50 firefighters. The county is talking about laying off 200 deputy sheriffs. I guess this is what you get when you elect a retired NBA player as Mayor.