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New shorts requirement
« on: May 30, 2012, 04:36:28 PM »
Can anyone share the "skinny" on the new short requirement with belt loops or whatever. Then hear shorts with white stripes are coming. Any news when this all taking place. Hate to buy new shorts, then have to buy new ones with stripes a year later.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 06:56:07 PM »
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Shorts requirement for 2012 is basically the same. (1) They must be for subvarsity games only. (2) All crew members must wear them. (3) They must be belted shorts worn with a black belt.

The "new" striped shorts will shortly make their debut soon, if they haven't already. Honig's, as well as a lot of the other vendors, will be carrying them. It is my understanding that they can be worn for subvarsity for 2012, but all crew members must don them. In 2013, the striped shorts will be the only permissable ones to be worn.

Please keep in mind that this is also the final season for the traditional white knickers, as in 2013 we will be going strictly to the black pants, whether they are either the lightweight or the heavier foul-weather ones.  z^

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 08:43:38 AM »
Thanks

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 03:14:51 PM »
secondeagle - I need some new shorts for this season. I went to Macy's and found a great pair of golf/walking style shorts on sale for $17.00. Now I can use them for scrimmages and everyday use as well (our Chapter does not allow them for sub varsity, we also made black pants mandatory for all levels this season). I can't imagine the black/white shorts for next year will be that expensive and they will last you for years.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 10:27:18 PM »
Your chapter does not allow short for SV?  That is simply nuts.  So now you have to wear the long black pants in late August for a 5 PM SV game when the temp is 100+.  Sounds like your chapter has some work to do to change that mess.

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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 11:48:24 AM »
Your chapter does not allow short for SV?  That is simply nuts.  So now you have to wear the long black pants in late August for a 5 PM SV game when the temp is 100+.  Sounds like your chapter has some work to do to change that mess.

Doc, we haven't worn shorts for SV in years. The black pants won't be any hotter than the knickers we have worn all that time. We wear the black pants for Varsity games when it is 100+.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 12:56:50 PM »
...long black pants in late August for a 5 PM SV game when the temp is 100+...
The problem is not long, black pants. The problem is the insane notion that football has to be played at 5 PM in late August when the temp is 100+. And this is not just a problem in Texas.
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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 06:14:02 PM »
In late August, there is very little difference between 5 and 7 p.m. as far as heat goes. Besides, when would you suggest they play these games?

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2012, 07:45:30 PM »
In late August, there is very little difference between 5 and 7 p.m. as far as heat goes. Besides, when would you suggest they play these games?

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The whole truth lies in the fact that inasfar as subvarsity games go, whether it is a Monday or Tuesday for junior high, or Wednesday or Thursday for high school games, you are usually faced with two dilemmas:
 
1.  You have multiple games that are to be played thus predicating the early start times. If you were to have a tripleheader, it would not be at all unusual to start the first game as early as 3:30PM.

2. Some venues play on unlighted fields thereby necessitating these early start times in order to get the game in prior to darkness setting in.

That's largely why these new shorts are going to be more than needed in order to allow the officials to more comfortably officiate those games.  z^

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 09:52:35 PM »
In late August, there is very little difference between 5 and 7 p.m. as far as heat goes. Besides, when would you suggest they play these games?
It wasn't THAT many years ago that football season didn't start until mid-to-late September. Then again, classes didn't start until after Labor Day, either.
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New shorts requirement
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2012, 12:07:08 AM »
The problem is not long, black pants. The problem is the insane notion that football has to be played at 5 PM in late August when the temp is 100+. And this is not just a problem in Texas.

I'll probably get roasted on a spit for this but it is my firm belief that Texas needs to adopt guidelines relating to heat and when all scholastic outdoor activities should not proceed.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2012, 08:04:13 AM »
...is my firm belief that Texas needs to adopt guidelines relating to heat and when all scholastic outdoor activities should not proceed.
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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2012, 08:52:54 AM »
I'll probably get roasted on a spit for this but it is my firm belief that Texas needs to adopt guidelines relating to heat and when all scholastic outdoor activities should not proceed.

Agreed, and not just for the safety and concern of student athletes, but other students and adults as well that are not involved in the "on-the-field" action.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2012, 09:15:06 AM »
Agreed, and not just for the safety and concern of student athletes, but other students and adults as well that are not involved in the "on-the-field" action.
I'll probably get roasted on a spit for this but it is my firm belief that Texas needs to adopt guidelines relating to heat and when all scholastic outdoor activities should not proceed.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2012, 04:59:00 PM »
In regards to heat issues, what is different now than say about 20 years ago?  I remember practicing in the dead of heat and we were lucky to get 2 water breaks in 4 hours.  We never had any heat related problems.  Now that is all we read about.  We have several school districts who have their own heat guidelines and they have cancelled practices and games due to the heat. 

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 06:33:37 PM »
In regards to heat issues, what is different now than say about 20 years ago?  I remember practicing in the dead of heat and we were lucky to get 2 water breaks in 4 hours.  We never had any heat related problems.  Now that is all we read about...
20 years ago you didn't have, among other things, the internet, instant messaging and smart phones, a politically-correct society, a news media who employ full-time "investigative" reporters who do nothing but dig for the dirt, and parents and lawyers that will sue at the drop of a hat. :sTiR:
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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2012, 07:34:28 PM »
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It wasn't THAT many years ago that football season didn't start until mid-to-late September.

Actually, it has. For the longest time, school started the day after labor day (or sometimes before, if 8/31 or 9/1 was a Monday) and HS games were played that first week. Just from speaking to people I know today that were around then, that goes back AT LEAST to the early '60s. That's 50 years, so I'm not sure what football seasons you are referring to.

Its true that August beginnings are fairly recent (mid-90s on) because schools kept wanting to start earlier. Then zero week kicked in. Probably the majority of zero weeks now are the week before Labor Day, but that depends on the calendar.

Incidentally, the most miserable game I can recall working was a freshman game around week 3 -- sometime around Sept. 14-16 -- several years ago. We started at 5, at about 115 on the turf with no wind and it never cooled off. Last year's opening Friday night was pretty close, though.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2012, 07:55:50 AM »
About 7 or 8 years ago I worked a game at Round Rock's fancy new stadium on a Saturday afternoon, the last Saturday of August.  At kickoff, it was about 105 in Austin.  A crew member had a laser thermometer and measured the temp of the playing surface just before kickoff at 140 degrees.  We managed to make it through the first half.  By the second half, if was simply miserable.  Several ambulances showed up to take care of people in the stand and band kids.  I stopped the game three times in the second half and sent the players to sideline for a water break, and also for the officials.  After the game, we used the thermometer again and the surface of the field was 170 degrees according to the laser thingy.  No way we should have been playing that game at that time.  I swore I would never do that again.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2012, 04:33:23 PM »
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I empathize, TexDoc. On Saturday, September 25, 1993, "a date that will live in infamy," my crew was selected to work the non-district 12 Noon kickoff between Port Neches-Groves and Livingston played at Bowers Stadium in Huntsville. (We had worked a game in Houston the night before). We had to play at that time because Sam Houston State University was scheduled to play a night game there following the completion of ours. It was clear, sunny, not a cloud in the sky and in the mid-90's at kickoff. The Sam Houston State SID told us that the onfield turf thermometer had read 125F at kickoff and rose past the 150F mark before the gauge actually broke on them. There was absolutely no wind, no breeze, no nothing. The heat was so hot on that Astroturf that you could feel it richly emanating from the turf right up into your shoes. My BJ richly joked that it was so hot, that during a timeout, he swore that he saw Satan himself over on the sideline trying to cop some of that cold water from one of the coolers!

The only saving grace was that the score ended 3-0, PNG. It is the only game that I ever saw my crew members actually so worn-out from having worked a game, that they had to pull folding chairs into the shower room, because everyone was just too physically exhausted to stand. That game will long stand out in this boy's memory!   z^
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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2012, 06:16:57 PM »
Honigs now has the shorts on their website. That will make it easier for chapters to say, "OK, we'll wear them but only the ones with the stripes."

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2012, 08:37:11 PM »
".... with unfinished length."
$34.95 + shipping + tailor charge to hem the length
Sounds like a $50 pair of shorts.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2012, 11:25:43 PM »
Seems like more people are upset over the "option" to affix a 10$ letter on their shirt than they are about being forced to purchase a 50$ pair of shorts to work subvarsity..   The same subvarsity that many chapters have trouble covering due to a myriad of factors, but apparently it is much more important that folks not wear "basketball" shorts to a 7th grade B game than it is to actually have someone show up and work the game.  It is likely the same folks advocating this as are so adamant that the letter on the back of the shirt doesn't make you a better official, likewise the black shorts on your arse don't make you any worse.

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2012, 11:52:49 PM »
Wow I do not like the look of those at all. I'm hoping the "unfinished length" verbiage was borrowed from their black pants and that is not actually the case.

If they are in fact unfinished, I'm hoping somebody other than Honig's comes out with a version of these that are finished.
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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2012, 07:10:32 AM »
They are just a cut off version of the long pants...look at the description. Way to go TASO board....you hit this one out of the park. ^flag

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Re: New shorts requirement
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2012, 07:31:42 AM »
http://stores.officialsgearoutlet.com/Detail.bok?no=196

Another player in the shorts drama. And $10 cheaper!