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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2012, 12:03:58 AM »
My question is how did the NFL get the contact information for these guys.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2012, 05:12:46 AM »
UIL gave it to them     :sTiR:

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« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2012, 08:41:12 AM »
The NFLRA made a big mistake when they dangled the word strike back in the Spring. You can't blame the owners for preparing for a season without the NFLRA. The NFLRA should not have played that card until negotiations were at a standstill and the season had begun. Now, everyone loses.

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« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2012, 12:03:19 PM »
NFL Lockout – Should You Work?
Posted by Karl Richins on Jun 6, 2012 in Blog

With the declared Lockout of the NFL Officials, is this your big chance to work an NFL game or two?  You’ve dreamed about it for years and have always wanted your chance, even if it is for a single game, so is now that opportunity?
On June 4th, the NFL announced the lockout and to move forward with its plans to hire replacement officials.  In essence, the league stated it would be looking to hire recently retired officials or perhaps current ones who would be qualified to work professional games.  The league will look to hire officials from anywhere but the BCS conferences because those officials are run by NFL officials, and the NFL doesn’t want to put the BCS officials in an awkward situation.  Ya think?
Now, I’m no expert here, and I plainly admit, I do not know all the details of the negotiations with the NFL and NFLRA (nor do some of the NFL officials I spoke with), but I will say, historically lockouts are about posturing.  It will eventually work itself out and life will return to normal.  I’ve always thought of unions to be “Big” and powerful, meaning “thousands” of workers, not between one and two hundred workers (not counting retired NFL officials).  How much strength is there in that number?  Another thought I have had about unions and negotiations, do the union leaders represent “their” agenda, or the agenda of everyone they are appointed to represent?  There is NO way possible those two agendas are identical.  So, what do they do?  This post is not about their negotiations because I don’t know the facts and what is more important, I DO NOT CARE!
What this post IS about, is you, the potential replacement official.  I remember back in 2001 when there was a lockout and I was a new official in the Mountain West Conference.  I received that letter in the mail from the NFL asking if I was available.  I also remember public veiled threats from current NFL officials including Ed Hochuli, and I remember attention and pleas of solidarity from other NFL officials.  All of a sudden, that “college guy” was important to the NFL guy.  Back then, there were very few NFL officials working as Coordinators of Officials in college conferences.  Now, it is becoming increasingly the trend and the relationship between the college officials and the NFL officials has become a bit cozy.  There is that aspect of awkwardness for replacement officials working for current NFL officials, but I think more than that, I think the NFL will stay away from looking at BCS officials to become replacement officials because that is where the majority of their candidate pool is and they don’t dare muddy that water.
In 2001, I declined the opportunity for a “one and done” NFL experience and have no regrets.  So let me now give you my 10 reasons why I feel you should decline the offer as well, if you are requested to work:
1-If the NFL is not going to look at BCS officials, that probably means the league considers BCS conferences to contain the majority of its candidates.  So isn’t it a little insulting to basically say, “You’re not a candidate to be a real NFL official”, so will you come “pretend” to be one?
2-Ask most of the officials that worked as replacements in 2001 and if they have the courage to admit it they will say you will likely never get that stain out of your shirt for the remainder of your life.  Some of them were my friends and still are, but that particular stain never washes out.
3-If you are currently retired and you are asked to work, whether you went out on good terms or bad terms, do you really want others to put an asterisk next to your name when your name is brought up?  Ever tried to repair a reputation?  Try putting that toothpaste back into the tube.
4-”I’m bitter that the NFL didn’t hire me so I’m working.”  Come on, really?  By working you are rewarding the league that didn’t hire you and pooping on fellow officials with whom you likely did work at one time.
5-”It’s my chance to work a ‘big’ game.”  So that’s what your career is all about?  Not lifetime friends, colleagues, mentors, players, others, etc.  So you choose to stand on the mountain top and admit, “It’s all about me!”  Boy, I’ll bet you are or were fun to have on a crew.
6-”Think of the guaranteed money I can make.”  I honestly cannot believe there are still people in this business that see officiating as a way to make money.  Now, I will admit the NFL officials have that unique opportunity to make that statement, but they earned it to get there, they earn it to stay there, and those of us that do not get that opportunity need to look beyond the money aspect and give something back to this sport rather than always trying to see what we can get.
7-”I’m retired, or I’m never going to work in the NFL anyway, so why not?”  Because we are a family.  When you find out someone else in the restaurant or wherever you are is a fellow football official at whatever level, admit it, you want to say hello and share “hey, whats up?”  And if we are family, and you have to admit that we are, do you think any NFL officials right now who have sons or daughters officiating at the NCAA level, that their son or daughter would work as a replacement official?  Put me down for “I don’t think so.”
8-When we have that bizarre play in a football game and it has several fouls, momentum, impetus, illegal touching and an inadvertent whistle all rolled into one play, what do we do if we can’t figure it out?  “Just do the right thing.”  If you choose to work, you will likely not enjoy the experience because the entire time you know it’s not the right thing to do, plain and simple.
9-Ask yourself, if you were a current NFL official, what would you want a fellow college official to do?  You may be bitter or felt you were wronged by one or two current or past NFL officials.  But becoming a replacement official doesn’t settle the score, you’re not getting even; you’re becoming what you hate, a non-team player.
10-And finally, the above are just rationalizations, pointless justifications, self-absorbed excuses.  Do you really think you can pick up the turd by the clean end?  My advice to you is the same as what I use to tell passerbys when I was a police officer years ago and working a bad traffic accident scene, “Look away there’s nothing to see here, just keep moving.”
Let’s let “them” work this out.  We don’t have a horse in this race.  All I hear from the officials I speak to that work in the NFL is that all they want to do is work.  Let’s not stain our hands on this issue, instead let’s be fans of the NFL and it’s officials, and let them work it out without our outside influence.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2012, 03:37:18 PM »
You forgot reasons 11-20 (on onward).  Those reasons are the individual reasons each replacement official actually HAS for working these games.  I'm not convinced there are only ten and that you were able to categorize them all into a little nutshell.  Each person has to answer to themselves first.  To believe that their individual reasoning has to include only the items on your list amuses me.

I have no desire to work as a replacement and would not be invited anyway (being only a high school official), but one point that seems to be missing is that these preseason games need to be played and need to be officiated.  The conditioning of the players, the development of the teams and ultimately, the prevention of serious injuries are just three of the reasons why.

The NFLRA lockout would prevent these games from being played and when the two sides get together (as I'm sure they will) at the 11Th hour, there will be a season with the regular officials.  Only, now the players will not have been deprived of a preseason to ramp up for the real thing.

I don't want to see the regular NLF refs standing around as another player gets carried away on the golf cart (and neither do they, I'm sure).

Sure choosing to officiate is a tough decision to make, but SOMEONE  has to do it even if the reasons each individual official puts forth displeases you.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2012, 04:23:29 PM »
You forgot reasons 11-20 (on onward).  Those reasons are the individual reasons each replacement official actually HAS for working these games.  I'm not convinced there are only ten and that you were able to categorize them all into a little nutshell.  Each person has to answer to themselves first.  To believe that their individual reasoning has to include only the items on your list amuses me.

I have no desire to work as a replacement and would not be invited anyway (being only a high school official), but one point that seems to be missing is that these preseason games need to be played and need to be officiated.  The conditioning of the players, the development of the teams and ultimately, the prevention of serious injuries are just three of the reasons why.

The NFLRA lockout would prevent these games from being played and when the two sides get together (as I'm sure they will) at the 11Th hour, there will be a season with the regular officials.  Only, now the players will not have been deprived of a preseason to ramp up for the real thing.

I don't want to see the regular NLF refs standing around as another player gets carried away on the golf cart (and neither do they, I'm sure).

Sure choosing to officiate is a tough decision to make, but SOMEONE  has to do it even if the reasons each individual official puts forth displeases you.

"you" didn't forget anything.  Read the byline....not mine.

Best regards,

Brad

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2012, 05:01:53 PM »
My apologies.  By the time I got through the whole post, I'd forgotten the byline.  The article was written in the first person, so my response should be (and still is) directed toward THAT person (even though it isn't you).

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2012, 05:19:48 PM »
Thomas,

Do you actually think that if no "replacement" refs stepped forward, there would be no preseason games?  The NFL would bring back their regular refs quick time if that were the case, IMO.  Owners wouldn't stand for the lost revenue nor their teams preparation. So "for the good of the players" is not a legitimate reason for taking a job from a fellow official.

Best regards,

Brad

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2012, 06:59:39 PM »
What guarantees are in place for the "regular" officials to be "re-hired"?  Some of these "replacements" are pretty darn good and could easily replace ones on strike for a full time spot.  The ones on strike are good but there are many other officials who are just as good, if not better than them.  If the NFL were to have tryouts each year and open up the doors to allow officials to show there stuff, I am sure many veterans would be replaced on a permanant basis.   

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« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2012, 08:20:18 PM »
I taped today's Patriots vs Saints game and saw a few problems.  The white hat looks very awkward and can't seem to get the whistle out of his mouth.  The BJ almost got run over on a long pass play.  Too many holding fouls.  IMO, the NFL shouldn't die on this hill.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #60 on: August 11, 2012, 11:06:59 PM »
Driving in from vacation and was listening to Texans/Panthers game.
Announcers from pre game to end tore up "replacement officials".
Supposely bad call for DPI as far as "homer announcers" blasted.
A continuous triade about "replacement officials".

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2012, 03:48:59 PM »
The ones on strike are good but there are many other officials who are just as good, if not better than them.

I am not seeing that.

If the NFL were to have tryouts each year and open up the doors to allow officials to show there stuff, I am sure many veterans would be replaced on a permanant basis.   

This I could see, but I'd gather the guys who are NFL worthwhile are not working NFL pre-season, a least not in our area.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2012, 03:38:49 PM »
What guarantees are in place for the "regular" officials to be "re-hired"?  Some of these "replacements" are pretty darn good and could easily replace ones on strike for a full time spot. 

Are we watching the same games?

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2012, 04:21:54 PM »
I only sporadically watched 3 games over the weekend but nothing glaring jumped out at me.  Yes the R's do not seem as comfortable on the microphone as most NFL R's do but aside from that I saw no glaring issues.   I did not see the NY Giant game where they apparently did not do a Zap 10 at the end of the game and that is troubling, especially since that is a NCAA rule also so should not have had a problem there.  But all in all, they looked like they belonged.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2012, 12:03:53 PM »
Thomas,

Do you actually think that if no "replacement" refs stepped forward, there would be no preseason games?  The NFL would bring back their regular refs quick time if that were the case, IMO.  Owners wouldn't stand for the lost revenue nor their teams preparation. So "for the good of the players" is not a legitimate reason for taking a job from a fellow official.

Best regards,

Brad

The chance of no one stepping forward to do the games was about the same as the sun rising in the west tomorrow. The NFLRA is counting on the replacements not covering themselves in glory.  We'll see how it works for them.

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« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2012, 03:44:01 PM »
The assignments are posted for week 2 of the preseason.

http://www.footballzebras.com/2012/08/15/3778/

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2012, 07:51:22 PM »
First quarter of Bengals-Falcons saw a phantom defensive hold, a facemask call when the tackler's hand was on the runner's inside front shoulder pad and a cornerback getting physically wrestled to the ground by a reciever as the ball dropped over his head, and then being called for DPI.

This does not look good.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2012, 07:56:43 PM »
Not to mention a roughing the passer penalty was announced as a 10 yard penalty...then they only marked off only 13 yards.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2012, 06:56:55 AM »
The crew in ATL last night was the crew @NewEngland last week.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2012, 06:58:20 AM »
The crew in ATL last night was the crew @NewEngland last week.
Ah, finally a crew with some NFL experience! :D

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2012, 10:19:29 AM »
The crew in ATL last night was the crew @NewEngland last week.

The alternate was the R in Philly last weekend, IIRC.

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2012, 06:41:13 PM »
Not a good sign for resolution when lying accusations are flying around.

NFL Memo that came out re this weekend's talks followed by NFLRA response:

NFL -

The NFL's chief attorney, Jeff Pash, issued a memorandum to team CEOs, presidents and general managers on Sunday detailing last week's labor negotations with the referees. ESPN obtained the document in its entirety via email:

 Last Thursday, Friday and Saturday (August 30-31 and September 1), we had a series of discussions with the NFL Referees Association concerning a possible new collective bargaining agreement. The goal was to determine if a new agreement could be in place in time to permit the regular game officials to be on the field for the start of regular season games. Those discussions at various times involved the Commissioner, John Mara, several members of the league staff, and our counsel, Bob Batterman. The officials were represented by Scott Green, the union's president, Jeff Triplette, a member of the union's negotiating committee, and the union's counsel, Mike Arnold.

The discussions began on the afternoon of Wednesday, August 29, when Commissioner Goodell contacted Jeff Triplette to determine the union's position on the status of negotiations. Based on that conversation, the Commissioner advised Mr. Triplette that we would be using replacement officials in the regular season, and Ray Anderson's memo to the clubs was sent shortly thereafter. Later that day, after speaking to other members of the NFLRA leadership, Mr. Triplette offered to come to New York to meet with the Commissioner on Thursday, August 30. Several private discussions took place on Thursday evening and Friday morning, August 31. In the course of discussions on Friday morning, Mr. Triplette quantified the economic gap between the parties as approximately $4 million per year for compensation and retirement benefits combined. The Commissioner advised Mr. Triplette that in order to obtain an agreement this weekend, so that the regular officials could begin to work next week, we would close the deal by agreeing to provide an additional $1 million per year, which could be used to improve either base compensation or our proposal regarding retirement benefits.



Even without this increase, the offer made to the game officials prior to the start of the lockout provided for generous and continuing pay increases. In 2011, the average compensation for a game official was $149,000. Under our last offer, average compensation would have increased to more than $189,000 by 2018, the last year of the proposal we made before the lockout. Officials qualifying for postseason play, or who are referees, would earn even more.



Apart from base compensation, we had offered to institute a new retirement plan, under which officials would participate in a defined contribution/401(k) plan, with proposed contributions of $16,500 in 2012, increasing to more than $22,000 by the end of the deal. And of course officials would retain the full value of any vested benefits earned under the existing defined benefit plan.


The increase offered to settle the labor dispute yesterday could be valued in several ways. Assuming a staff of 120 game officials, an additional $1 million would fund an $8000 increase in the average game official's annual compensation. Alternatively, it would increase the annual defined contribution to an official's retirement account by $8000. If the officials preferred, the additional money could have been divided between base compensation and retirement benefits. But assuming a game official works for 20 years, this proposal could have meant as much as $160,000 in additional compensation or retirement contributions for each official.


We also said that we believed a longer deal was in order and proposed a ten-year term. Mr. Triplette agreed that a longer term was in the interest of the game officials as well. Commissioner Goodell expressly stated that the additional money was being offered to conclude a deal now so the officials could be on the field for the start of the regular season. He said that the officials should not schedule further meetings unless they were prepared to settle on that basis. In other words, the increase in the offer was to settle now - it was not to set a new floor for a new round of negotiations.


Following the discussions on Friday morning, Mr. Triplette spoke to other members of the NFLRA leadership. He then advised us that Messrs. Green and Arnold would join him in New York for further negotiations beginning Saturday morning. To ensure that there was no misunderstanding of our position, the Commissioner spoke to Mr. Triplette on Friday afternoon. In response to a direct question from the Commissioner, Mr. Triplette confirmed that the union was coming to New York to conclude an agreement within the parameters that had been discussed earlier on Friday.


When we convened yesterday morning, the officials immediately did an about-face and made clear that they had no intention of settling within the agreed-upon parameters. Instead, Mr. Green stated that Mr. Triplette had "no authority to make that deal," and that the additional $1 million per year was nowhere near enough to conclude an agreement. Rather than telling us how they would propose to allocate the additional $1 million per year the Commissioner and Mr. Triplette had discussed as the basis for closing out these negotiations, Mr. Green reverted to the union's pre-lockout position, an economic gap of as much as $70 million over the life of the proposed deal. Apart from sharply higher compensation demands, the union's pre-lockout proposal also included a full grandfathering of all officials in the existing defined benefit plan, and a 20 percent increase in the defined pension benefit. For new officials, they proposed a defined contribution retirement plan with an annual contribution of $38,500 per year, while preserving a match on the officials' contributions to their 401(k) plan.


The union's abrupt change in position yesterday morning made it impossible to make any progress toward a prompt settlement. This morning's meeting concluded after less than 90 minutes (most of which was spent by the union representatives in a private caucus). We issued the following public statement after the meeting ended:


"Commissioner Goodell and other NFL staff members concluded three days of talks today with representatives of the NFLRA without reaching an agreement. No further talks are scheduled. We are proceeding with the replacement officials."


 While we will remain available to meet with the NFLRA at any time, absent a substantial change in the union's position, there is no reason to think that further meetings would be productive. Needless to say, we will keep all clubs informed of developments in these negotiations. If any club has questions, please feel free to call either Ray Anderson or me.

NFLRA Response:

The NFL Referees Association released the following statement Sunday afternoon in response to the NFL's memo to teams:
 
After locking out the NFL Officials on June 3 and refusing to negotiate with the NFLRA, the NFL is now engaged in a misinformation campaign. On Sunday, the League sent a Memo to its teams and leaked it to selected media for distribution to the public. It is unfortunate that the League has resorted to providing false and misleading information to its member teams and the media.
 
There was no agreement on Thursday or Friday to do anything other than to meet on Saturday. Any claim that any numbers were agreed to before Saturday is absolutely false.
 
Members of the NFLRA Negotiating Committee traveled to New York to meet on Saturday with the NFL. Commissioner Goodell did not attend. The NFLRA was prepared to discuss all remaining issues to reach a fair CBA. However, the NFL provided an ultimatum that the NFLRA abandon its positions on all issues other than compensation in return for the possibility that the NFL would modestly increase its offer.
 
The NFLRA put forth a compensation alternative which was immediately rejected by the NFL. The NFLRA asked the NFL to reconsider the NFLRA's offer to "grandfather" the defined benefit pension plan. The NFL rejected the request. The NFLRA asked the NFL to discuss other alternatives to resolve the pension issue. The NFL rejected that request.
 
Having refused to negotiate until the 11th hour, the NFL has chosen a tactic of personal attacks on the leadership of the NFLRA. This is unfortunate because the NFLRA simply seeks a fair CBA and the opportunity to get back on the field. The NFLRA continues its position that its members receive slightly less than they were paid under the 2006 CBA, and the continuation of the defined benefit plan for its current members -- all which would cost the NFL about 1/3 of 1% of its $9 Billion in revenues. It continues to mystify any objective observer of the situation why the NFL would jeopardize the safety of its players, the integrity of the game and the quality of its product in order to continue its attack on its professional referees.
 

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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2012, 12:37:55 AM »
I heard in order to meet the NFLRA's demands, it would only cost each team approx 65k per year.  I can't believe the NFL is scoffing at this...

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« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2012, 06:55:57 AM »
I heard in order to meet the NFLRA's demands, it would only cost each team approx 65k per year.  I can't believe the NFL is scoffing at this...
The number I heard 2 weeks ago was $100K/team/year. The Packers had $260M in revenues last year (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/30/nfl-valuations-11_Green-Bay-Packers_302814.html), and the officials are asking for less than 0.0004 of that (using the $100K number, and the Packer's had the 9th highest revenue, which is pretty close to the average for all 32 teams.)

If your income was $50K/year, wouldn't you pay $20 more per year to make your life much better?
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Re: NFL Looking for Refs
« Reply #74 on: September 03, 2012, 08:25:11 AM »
Its not the compensation, its the pension plan.  The NFL no longer wants to be on the hook for a defined pension plan for which most other corporations have long since abandoned.  The NFLRA doesn't want their retirement dumped into a 401K and run the risk of loss like everyone else in America has endured.

I understand the positions- the NFLRA wants to hang on to a good thing and the NFL is trying to drag them into the same pension as all of their other employees.  So goes the collective bargaining process.

The NFL is gambling that in the end nobody really cares who the officials are and they can ride out any hideously blown calls.  The NFLRA is hoping that the players will back them, which isn't really happening, and poor mouthing by the media will stir up enough resentment to push the NFL to settle.  Players aren't going to give up their game check in a solidarity move.   The officials are ultimately in a weaker position.