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Offline ludoline

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Mistake or not
« on: November 27, 2012, 12:14:18 PM »
Hello, this weekend I think I made ​​a mistake on the following action, during a scrimmage down the quarterback in position for a long snap receives the ball and throw it to his back. The ball carrier under pressure make a punt behind the line of scrimage. I had call it for an illegal kick but the rules saids "no player in position to receives a hand-to-hand snap from between the snapper's legs" In this case is two backward pass and a kick and now and I think the kick was legal. Could you tell me whether I was right or not.

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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 12:19:09 PM »
That is not a foul.  As long as the kick is made from behind the neutral zone it is legal.  It doesn't matter who or where the snap is received or if the ball has been passed or not, as long as the kick is made behind the neutral zone.

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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 12:39:41 PM »
Hello, this weekend I think I made ​​a mistake on the following action, during a scrimmage down the quarterback in position for a long snap receives the ball and throw it to his back. The ball carrier under pressure make a punt behind the line of scrimage. I had call it for an illegal kick but the rules saids "no player in position to receives a hand-to-hand snap from between the snapper's legs" In this case is two backward pass and a kick and now and I think the kick was legal. Could you tell me whether I was right or not.

Unfortunately, yes, this was an error.
The rule that you reference only defines a "scrimmage kick formation," and that has to do with player numbering for Team A. It does not mean that a scrimmage kick may only be made if they snap from a scrimmage kick formation. A scrimmage kick formation simply permits Team A to deviate from the required numbering, i.e., minimum of 5 linemen numbered 50-79 at the snap. It has nothing to do with a kick being permitted or prohibited.

Before a change of team possession, Team A can make a scrimmage kick (punt or field goal attempt) any time one of their players is in possession and he makes the kick while not beyond the neutral zone. It does not matter what formation they were in at the snap, and it does not matter if they throw one or more forward or backward passes before the kick. And, it does not matter if they kick the ball legally more than once. Obviously, once they make a kick that crosses the NZ, then they will not be able to kick the ball again legally, because the ball would become dead the moment they gain player possession.


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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 12:44:28 PM »
Thank's for your answer, So I make a mistake  :-\

El Macman

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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2012, 12:49:04 PM »
Let's have a show of hands of those that haven't made a mistake?

Anyone?
Anyone?

I thought so.

Get back on the horse and get back in the race.

Offline Kalle

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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 02:14:28 PM »
The important thing is that you are willing to ask for advice and accept that you sometimes make mistakes. These are keys to becoming a better official, no matter what the starting level is.

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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 02:35:26 PM »
Before a change of team possession, Team A can make a scrimmage kick (punt or field goal attempt) any time one of their players is in possession and he makes the kick while not beyond the neutral zone. It does not matter what formation they were in at the snap, and it does not matter if they throw one or more forward or backward passes before the kick. And, it does not matter if they kick the ball legally more than once. Obviously, once they make a kick that crosses the NZ, then they will not be able to kick the ball again legally, because the ball would become dead the moment they gain player possession.

In the absence of a change of possession, can a Team A player make a legal scrimmage kick from behind the neutral zone after the ball either a) was in player possession beyond the neutral zone or b) was loose beyond the neutral zone?

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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 03:34:52 PM »
In the absence of a change of possession, can a Team A player make a legal scrimmage kick from behind the neutral zone after the ball either a) was in player possession beyond the neutral zone or b) was loose beyond the neutral zone?

a) Yes b) Yes

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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 04:32:47 PM »
Haven't had it personally, but it happened in a FBS game some 10-12 years ago. A punter got flushed out of his kicking position and ran forward, ostensibly trying to get the first down. Just as he got to the neutral zone, opponents closed in on him and he could see he wasn't going to make the first down. At that point he was about a half step beyond the NZ. He quickly stepped behind the NZ and punted the ball.
How and why he had the presence of mind to do that is still a mystery to me.

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Re: Mistake or not
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 10:31:14 AM »
Haven't had it personally, but it happened in a FBS game some 10-12 years ago. A punter got flushed out of his kicking position and ran forward, ostensibly trying to get the first down. Just as he got to the neutral zone, opponents closed in on him and he could see he wasn't going to make the first down. At that point he was about a half step beyond the NZ. He quickly stepped behind the NZ and punted the ball.
How and why he had the presence of mind to do that is still a mystery to me.

Good memory, Hoss.