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Offline TexDoc

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Week 1 Brackets
« on: November 13, 2013, 04:30:07 PM »
Maybe we can get TXMike to post these on the web.  The brackets are attached.  Lots of holes and missing data, just not enough time to work on them.

I no longer can get Waco and Permail Basin data.  Larry Weeks is no longer the secretary in Waco and I don't know anyone (nor do I doubt anyone will talk to me) in Permian. 

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 04:51:22 PM »
Thanks Doc for your usual fine job    aWaRd
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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2013, 09:01:49 AM »
Thanks TexDoc! :)  aWaRd

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2013, 03:38:29 PM »
For all of the Houston haters out there....

8 crews got 2 games
6 crews got 3 games

So 14 crews out of 80 are covering 55% of the Houston Chapter assignments.

It has never been this lopsided before.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2013, 08:44:48 AM »
For all of the Houston haters out there....

8 crews got 2 games
6 crews got 3 games

So 14 crews out of 80 are covering 55% of the Houston Chapter assignments.

It has never been this lopsided before.

Well clearly they are the only ones that can do the job.  :sTiR:

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2013, 12:51:36 PM »
Is there a rule that a crew cant work more than one game for a school in the playoffs?

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2013, 01:37:47 PM »

Is there a rule that a crew cant work more than one game for a school in the playoffs?

No, there is not.


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Offline Cowman52

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 02:39:52 PM »
I would think this is somewhat like having 3games on a Thursday night,  the last game you might not be as sharp as you need be?

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2013, 07:24:57 AM »
There should be a rule---I am sure these senior (citizens?) crews are not fresh for their second or even third game in three days.  If I were a coach I would never let this happen.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2013, 06:08:53 PM »
Week 2 Update   Way to go Doc!!

http://safootballchapter.us/2013TRNY.xls

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2013, 07:43:42 PM »
There should be a rule---I am sure these senior (citizens?) crews are not fresh for their second or even third game in three days.  If I were a coach I would never let this happen.

I think that it's too easy to get playoffs games in some of those chapters who seem to get more than they can actually cover with tier 1 officials.  There's no longer a "prize" and you no longer have to earn it.  They get so many games and then the officials have gotten their fill and retire.  I think it hurts retention.  The chapter I am is is a smaller chapter and we don't get that many games so the few we get are a treasured prize and everyone works hard to be among the select few to get a game.  If they don't get one they come back the next year and keep working to get one.  Imagine if it was automatic that you'd receive one.  It kinda leaves you with not working as hard since you know your already going to get one.  Perhaps each chapter should have to submit during the preseason the max amount of games on a Friday night regular season that they can cover with 100% of their chapter.  Then for the playoffs that number can be cut down to 25%.  So for a small chapter that submits 16 games as their max, then come playoffs they should only be able to get 4 games on a single day.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2013, 08:42:54 PM »
You may be on to something Jason.  I believe if we take the top 20% of crews in any Chapter and put them in games, you would not be able to tell the difference.  Every Chapter in this State has a percentage of guys (probably close to the same percentage) who are the top of the pile.  As you point out, when you have 16 crews, that top 20% is 3  or 4 crews.  And when you have 80 crews, it is 16 or so.  So a Chapter that is digging down into its 50th percentile to put officials on the field is not going to put out as good a product as those who do not need to dip below 20% to fill their slots. 

But we will always come back to the same stumbling block...the perception that coaches have unlimited ability to pick the chapters and officials they want.  Say what you will about the UIL  but as I understand it, in certain sports , once the playoffs get to a certain stage, the schools no longer pick the officials. The UIL does.  Sure that might have some issues but it seems it would ultimately be more equitable to the officials (if done properly) and would still guarantee games that are officiated at a high level.

Every crew in this state is capable of making mistakes at the wrong moment in the biggest games.  The key is getting those crews who are less likely to make those mistakes.   

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2013, 08:56:01 PM »
You may be on to something Jason.  I believe if we take the top 20% of crews in any Chapter and put them in games, you would not be able to tell the difference.  Every Chapter in this State has a percentage of guys (probably close to the same percentage) who are the top of the pile.  As you point out, when you have 16 crews, that top 20% is 3  or 4 crews.  And when you have 80 crews, it is 16 or so.  So a Chapter that is digging down into its 50th percentile to put officials on the field is not going to put out as good a product as those who do not need to dip below 20% to fill their slots. 

But we will always come back to the same stumbling block...the perception that coaches have unlimited ability to pick the chapters and officials they want.  Say what you will about the UIL  but as I understand it, in certain sports , once the playoffs get to a certain stage, the schools no longer pick the officials. The UIL does.  Sure that might have some issues but it seems it would ultimately be more equitable to the officials (if done properly) and would still guarantee games that are officiated at a high level.

Every crew in this state is capable of making mistakes at the wrong moment in the biggest games.  The key is getting those crews who are less likely to make those mistakes.

That is correct regarding the other sports.  Baseball submits their top 20 officials and basketball submits their top 16 for boys and top 16 for girls.  It may very well be the same 16 for both if the chapter submits it that way.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2013, 10:03:59 PM »
I may be biased, but I think you can go down 15 deep in our chapter and get a great product.  Quality breeds quality...success and competition create a culture of excellence.  It can happen in a small chapter...I see it every day.  We have 23 crews but you could go well past the top 10 and still get a crew that could successfully work any game in Texas.  My crew successfully worked NJCAA #3 vs #6 this year and we didn't have a HS game above 3A. 

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2013, 10:51:03 PM »
Bracket update:

Fort Worth has the 1A-D2 San Angelo TLC Academy v Hamlin.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2013, 08:04:32 AM »
FWIW, there is no way that the Houston chapter is digging down into the 50th percentile for officials, not with the numbers that Coby put up.

The truth is, there are a lot of excellent crews in this chapter that barely sniff a chance at the post season and I am NOT including my crew nor myself in that assessment.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2013, 08:10:21 AM »
That is true statewide Welpe.  It was not that long ago when I was going to Week 2 and even week 1 games as a fan and not on the field, knowing full well that myself and others could do as well or better than what we were seeing on the field.  My time finally came but I have no doubt there are guys watching our games in the stands who could be on the field and the game would be managed just as well , if not better.

Offline TxGrayhat

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2013, 03:46:37 PM »
You can put the top crews in based on ranking .

 But who chooses the ranking?

What is the criteria ?

 Right now it's a guess . Until that gets fixed with a real system and not some opinion based one that uses one arbitrary bias or another it is flawed and not fair. If we are not using a grading system administered by a qualified person it will always be flawed.
 So if your chapter has 80 crews and mine has 25 . You should Try to get 80 games and put your top 80 in.  We will try to get 25 and put our top 25 in.  Notice I didn't give any crew 2 games

. 1 game a week is all any crew needs in my opinion. 

I also believe the new rule of only 7 man crews in championship games is bull.

We work all year with 5 . If 5 is good in week 0 it should be good in the final week.
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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2013, 05:36:38 PM »
GreyHat, please tell more about the 7 Man Crews in the Championships. I haven't seen/heard anything about this.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2013, 07:53:03 PM »
There is no rule in place in Texas that says the championship games are to be officiated by 7 man crews.  If there are 7 officials out there, it is because both schools agreed to that.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2013, 12:43:58 PM »
You can put the top crews in based on ranking .

 But who chooses the ranking?

What is the criteria ?

 Right now it's a guess . Until that gets fixed with a real system and not some opinion based one that uses one arbitrary bias or another it is flawed and not fair. If we are not using a grading system administered by a qualified person it will always be flawed.
 So if your chapter has 80 crews and mine has 25 . You should Try to get 80 games and put your top 80 in.  We will try to get 25 and put our top 25 in.  Notice I didn't give any crew 2 games

. 1 game a week is all any crew needs in my opinion. 

I also believe the new rule of only 7 man crews in championship games is bull.

We work all year with 5 . If 5 is good in week 0 it should be good in the final week.

You can create a system via HUDL that does get every crew evaluated and given a "State Grade" for lack of a better term.  Yes it will be flawed, but it is better then what we have right now.  Do it as a fundraiser.  I would pay $100 for a state evaluation and a state ranking (as long as the ranking meant anything).  I can design the system I am just not qualified to grade film.

What kills me is my crew worked 3 games in the regular season as a 7 man crew.  We have more 7 man high school experience then anyone else in the Houston chapter this season and we have not worked a 7 man playoff game (Or a 5 person game).

It is just another example of the chapter brass talking out of the side of their mouths.... AGAIN


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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2013, 01:06:52 PM »
I didn't realize you haven't gotten a single playoff game yet. All hail the PAT (however it actually works).  :bOW

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2013, 02:33:06 PM »
I didn't realize you haven't gotten a single playoff game yet. All hail the PAT (however it actually works).  :bOW

I am only a little bit bitter about the whole situation.  Maybe next year I should:

Sell 2 ads in the roster book (only crew to sell an ad and not get a BA game, I thought this might be the missing piece I was wrong).

Referee more then 15 varsity regular season games

Referee more then 3 7 man games

Spend more then 10 hours a week maintaining the chapter HUDL account

Not be the youngest crew in the chapter and coincidentally not get a BA game for the past 4 years.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2013, 05:34:25 PM »
Was a time and chapter once where the secretary saw every member in a game, knew their strong points,  knew their weak points.  Would put members in games where they were challenged, prodded, worked, and had a chance to step up or wash out. 
 Step forward and now we have "un official crews". The higher ups work with maybe 8 officials, while telling every one else we all need to work together.  The only feed back is from  some one trying to climb into the clique.  You go on Friday to a game where 2 of the crew are maybe in over their head and when something is said the response is " you can just spread s*** so thin"

And wonder why officials are tired and deciding to do other things.

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Re: Week 1 Brackets
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2013, 07:39:22 PM »
Week 3 updated brackets and chapters

http://safootballchapter.us/2013TRNY.xls