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Offline ElvisLives

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B foul on Try
« on: January 13, 2019, 10:23:57 AM »
I have no personal info on this, but maybe someone else has.
A friend asked me about a play from a bowl game.

Try, B-3.  B is offside (live-ball).  A’s field goal attempt is unsuccessful.  Referee makes an announcement something like, “The penalty is accepted, but the yardage is declined.”  (Team A didn’t want to degrade the angle for the repeated field goal attempt.)

Ring any bells with anyone?

The problem is that, officially, Team A can not accept the penalty, but “decline the yardage.”  However, 8-3-3-b-2 allows Team A to accept the penalty (completely), but have the ball placed anywhere behind the spot where the penalty leaves the ball.  In 43 seasons, I’ve never had anyone request this - probably because they didn’t know they could.  My guess is the Referee had never had it happen, either, so, on the spot, he may not have known what to announce.  Maybe an announcement like, “The penalty is accepted, but the offense has invoked the privilege of having the ball placed at a point behind the spot where the penalty leaves the ball.  The ball will be snapped at the three yard line.”

Very unusual situation.

Robert

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Re: B foul on Try
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 12:04:35 PM »
It was Baylor (Team A) vs Vanderbilt (Team B) in the Texas Bowl.

Agreed on all counts, Robert. The end result was kosher, but the announcement isn’t technically correct. The R might have been thinking of the NFHS rule which I believe does allow a team to decline the yardage portion of a penalty. The good news is, like I said, the end result is legal and a viable option.

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Re: B foul on Try
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 12:25:35 PM »
I have had this happen to me in a game. I've also had Team A decline a dead ball 5-yard penalty on B to get the same outcome.

The logic, as I understand it, is that the long snap is usually 7 yards which means the kicker and the holder set up on the 10 yard line on a try, and while there's a rule about not being allowed to mark a spot for a kick, there's nothing in the rules about taking advantage of the markings that are already there, which is also why I presume some teams like to kick from a hash mark.

If the ball is moved up half the distance, a 7 yard long snap leaves the ball at the 8 1/2, where there's no line for the kicker and the holder to use as a point of reference.

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Re: B foul on Try
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2019, 01:01:33 PM »
Thanks, Legacy.  Good to get confirmation on the play facts.

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Re: B foul on Try
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2019, 03:08:24 PM »
However.  A can elect to change the location between the hashes.

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Re: B foul on Try
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 08:59:24 PM »
Here is the sequence
  https://youtu.be/LxtDemUxui0