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Offline refjeff

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TD or OOB?
« on: September 23, 2020, 12:22:34 PM »
A jumps up in the end zone and secures the pass with both hands. He lands on B's shoulder in the end zone and first touches the ground OOB, both feet.

TD or OOB?

Rule citation please.

I'm pretty sure I know, but I am opening my rules book right now.
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Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2020, 01:58:25 PM »
I'm going with no catch based on 2-4-1.
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Offline Derek Teigen

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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2020, 02:04:58 PM »
Quote from: CalhounLJ on September 23, 2020, 01:58:25 PM
I'm going with no catch based on 2-4-1.

Rule 7 SEction 5 article 5 (7-5-5)

....."incomplete when a player in the air possesses the pass and alights so that his first contact with the ground or with anything other than a player of game official is on or outside a boundary."
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Offline Derek Teigen

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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2020, 02:07:31 PM »
Here's my question and I"ve been looking for a rule to support this but is a defender lying on the ground considered part of the ground? So I am imaginging a situation where a receiver catches the ball steps on a defender but then steps out of bounds. 
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Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2020, 02:14:01 PM »
Short answer-no, a defender on the ground is not considered part of the ground. He is considered a player on the ground. I'll post rule support in a minute
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Offline js in sc

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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2020, 02:18:35 PM »
A defender on the ground is not considered part of the ground.  If he was, then when the runner is tackled and rolls on the downed defender, the runner is would be down.  As we know, he is not.  The  runner or receiver must actually touch the ground to be considered down or inbounds.  Sorry, no direct rule reference.
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Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2020, 02:22:49 PM »
Indirectly, 4-4-2a, 2-4-1. Both of these speak to the need to be touching the ground, either to complete a catch, or be "down." Silence is golden in this case. Since neither mention standing on or landing on a player, we can safely assume a player is not considered part of the ground.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2020, 02:25:28 PM by CalhounLJ »
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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2020, 02:27:48 PM »
ok thanks for that.

."incomplete when a player in the air possesses the pass and alights so that his first contact with the ground or with anything other than a player or game official is on or outside a boundary."

what do you suppose the 'anything other than a player or game official' might be?  Do you think it is the pylon they are referring to?  What else could it be??
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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2020, 03:14:18 PM »
Pylon, down marker, line to gain equipment, goal post are some that come immediately to mind.
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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2020, 03:25:57 PM »
Quote from: HLinNC on September 23, 2020, 03:14:18 PM
Pylon, down marker, line to gain equipment, goal post are some that come immediately to mind.
I believe contact with the goalpost makes the player out of bounds.
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Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2020, 03:36:58 PM »
Quote from: js in sc on September 23, 2020, 03:25:57 PM
I believe contact with the goalpost makes the player out of bounds.
Exactly. Which is the substance of the statement Derek posted. All those things make it an incomplete pass of a player contacts them before touching the ground inbounds. I will add, a nonplayer, substitute, media personnel, coach, the chains, the chain crew, yard line markers, advertising banners, cheerleaders... there is a lot of stuff outside the lines that make a ball oob.


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Re: TD or OOB?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2020, 04:41:18 PM »
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I believe contact with the goalpost makes the player out of bounds.
   As do the other items I listed in response to Derek.
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