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Re: Final Play TD. LSU vs TENN
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2010, 03:14:18 PM »
That was kind of strange.  It appeared the s was startinfg to come into the field just as the ball was snapped so maybe he was going to shut it down but could not.  The play happened, there was mass hysteria and people everywhere afterwards so it would have been impossible to get a good count "after the fact" so they went to replay.

There were at least two flags on the ground, possibly three.  I think they just went to replay to confirm the count.
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Re: Final Play TD. LSU vs TENN
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2010, 03:32:50 PM »
There were at least two flags on the ground, possibly three.  I think they just went to replay to confirm the count.

According to ESPN on Saturday night, they spoke with Dr. Redding and he said there were three flags on the ground.  With the situation the way it was, I can imagine that replay stepped in just to verify there was actually time on the clock when the ball was snapped and there were more than 11 players on the field for the defense.  That's not something you want to get incorrect.

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Re: Final Play TD. LSU vs TENN
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2010, 07:33:04 PM »
Watch LSU #53.  If you are extending the game shouldn't that be a foul?

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Re: Final Play TD. LSU vs TENN
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2010, 07:38:51 PM »
1 - The ball was dead and time had expired when he did that so I don't think it can be enforced, even if there is a replay of the down.  I don't have any rule to support this, just gut.  

2 - RR has been asked about it http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2010/oct/04/helmet-explanation-not-slam-dunk/?preventMobileRedirect=1   On the Barnhart and Durham radio show Monday, SEC coordinator of officials Rogers Redding said “several players on both teams had their helmets off” on the play, which ended with a penalty on Tennessee for having 13 players on the field. Allowed to run one more play because of the infraction, LSU scored from 1 yard out to win, 16-14.

“We’re always going to allow that immediate, initial, spontaneous burst of emotion,” Redding said. “These are teenagers that are playing a game that is very emotional.

“It would be so technical and so over-officiating to have called anything like that at the very end of the game.”

AND 3 ---I think people from both benches poured on to the field so there would have been "offsetting dead ball fouls" anyway
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Re: Final Play TD. LSU vs TENN
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2010, 09:57:37 PM »
I feel as though the crew, the Umpire specifically, handles this correctly.  He stood over the ball until Tennessee was clearly finished substituting.  I feel the spirit of the rule is to allow the defense to substitute as they see fit, not to correct them if they do so inappropriately.  The umpire stayed over the ball until Tennesse had substituted as they wanted.  Once they were lined up (with 13) ready for the play, the Umpire stepped back.  I would expect my crew to handle this the same way and I would expect there to be multiple flags on the ground for the infraction.

Personally, I commend the crew for handling the situation very well.  From allowing the substitutes, moving away from the ball at the appropriate time, flagging the penalty, and verifying through replay.  Excellent work!

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Re: Final Play TD. LSU vs TENN
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2010, 05:50:56 AM »
SEC official says decisions correct
 
http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/104323524.html?showAll=y&c=y

By SCOTT RABALAIS
Southeastern Conference coordinator of football officials Rogers Redding said Monday his crew properly handled the end of the LSU-Tennessee game, including not penalizing Tigers center T-Bob Hebert or a number of other players for removing their helmets.

Speaking on the Tim Brando Radio Show, Redding addressed a number of issues stemming from the wild and wacky end to Saturday’s game, which LSU won 16-14 on an untimed down.

The controversy began in the closing seconds when LSU, which was out of timeouts, ran a keeper with Jordan Jefferson for one yard to the Tennessee 1.

About 26 seconds remained after the players unpiled. As time ticked away, LSU sent in a new personnel grouping with three wide receivers. Tennessee countered by changing defensive personnel.

Two players who were originally being subbed out stayed in, giving the Volunteers 13 defenders.

With about :03 left, Hebert snapped the ball past Jefferson in desperation, and after a mad scramble near the UT 19, time expired. However, officials called the Vols for illegal participation, allowing the Tigers to run one untimed down and score on a 1-yard smash by Stevan Ridley.

Tennessee coach Derek Dooley originally complained that his team wasn’t given enough time to set its defense, though he told reporters Sunday he would not lodge a complaint with Redding.

Redding supported the way his officiating crew handled the situation.

“There were about 25 seconds left when he (Jefferson) was tackled,” Redding said. “With about 10 or 11 seconds left, LSU sent several players into the game. The umpire (Jeff Roberson) comes to the ball to prevent the ball being snapped to give the defense time to make adjustments.

“Now, the clock is down to about 6 seconds. The referee (Marc Curles) and the umpire make eye contact, and they see that the defense is making no effort to make more adjustments. So, he (Curles) signals to the umpire to back away, indicating that the ball is ready to be snapped.”

With Tennessee celebrating an apparent 14-10 upset victory, a flag lay in the north end zone at the feet of back judge Dale Keneipp, whose job was to count Tennessee’s defenders. After a quick conference, Curles went to the sideline to talk to replay official Mike McGinnis by headset.

“All he did was ask the replay official, was there time left on the clock when the ball was snapped?” Redding said. “He (McGinnis) said, ‘Yes,’ then he (Curles) indicated the penalty.”

After the Tigers scored, officials marked the ball at the Vols’ 3 for an extra point attempt. By rule, LSU was required to run a play because the game was still in the balance — Tennessee could have tied it by returning a botched extra point try for two points.

Instead, Dooley apparently indicated his team would not come out for the play, allowing officials to declare the game over.

“The extra point attempt is supposed to be made if the score matters,” Redding said. “But if the defensive team leaves the field &hellip then it’s over.”

There was one other matter to deal with, that of Hebert flinging his helmet after it appeared Tennessee had won.

A player is subject to a penalty by removing his helmet in the field of play. But Redding said his officials have been instructed to determine a player’s intent when doing so, and that if a player removes his helmet in anger or celebration a penalty should not be called.

“He did take off his helmet, but you can see several players taking their helmets off” on both sides, Redding said.

“The way we handle those is, we always have to interpret why (the helmet is removed). We always allow for the immediate burst of emotion. To penalize that at the end of the game is a very technical interpretation of the rule. It would be irresponsible to penalize either team because of that.”

Despite the non-call, Hebert was apologetic about his actions when questioned Monday.

“It was an immature act on my part,” Hebert said. “I got caught up in the emotions of the game.

“But that’s no excuse. I’ve definitely looked at it and I will never let that happen again.”