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ValleyOfMegiddo

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Ineligible Downfield or not
« on: October 23, 2015, 08:04:30 AM »
Need some help on this one from both an NFHS and NCAA perspective...


A1 throws a legal forward pass to A2 who is 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Lineman, A3 is 5 yards up field thinking the pass will be behind the line of scrimmage. However, A1 inadvertently throws over the head of A2 and the pass goes beyond the line of scrimmage (a) untouched; or (b) tipped by A2; prior to landing.

What do you have? Would you throw the flag or not for IG? Please give reasons.
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Offline UmpSC

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Re: Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2015, 08:42:08 AM »
NFHS - flag it in both situations.  A) obvious, I should think.  B) a tip by A does not change eligibility rules for A.  He is still ineligible and downfield. 

A tip by B behind NZ would change this. 

Can't speak to NCAA rules, so I'll defer to others.
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ECILLJ

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Re: Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2015, 08:43:45 AM »
We have a recent thread on this same topic.

If I believe the intent of the play was a screen pass but falls incomplete within a couple yards of the line of scrimmage. I do not have a flag.  ^no
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ValleyOfMegiddo

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Re: Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2015, 09:08:42 AM »
Quote from: ECILLJ on October 23, 2015, 08:43:45 AM
We have a recent thread on this same topic.

If I believe the intent of the play was a screen pass but falls incomplete within a couple yards of the line of scrimmage. I do not have a flag.  ^no
This is where I'm leaning. I'm looking at the intent of the rule. By the letter of the law, it's a foul. However, I don't think I'd throw it.

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ValleyOfMegiddo

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Re: Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2015, 09:08:55 AM »
Quote from: ECILLJ on October 23, 2015, 08:43:45 AM
We have a recent thread on this same topic.

If I believe the intent of the play was a screen pass but falls incomplete within a couple yards of the line of scrimmage. I do not have a flag.  ^no
This is where I'm leaning. I'm looking at the intent of the rule. By the letter of the law, it's a foul. However, I don't think I'd throw it.

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Offline Kalle

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Re: Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2015, 09:26:26 AM »
NCAA, in a) you technically have a foul for an ineligible receiver downfield, but I think nobody would flag it. In b) there is no foul even in theory as the pass did not cross the neutral zone by rule.
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ValleyOfMegiddo

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Re: Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2015, 10:43:05 AM »
Quote from: ECILLJ on October 23, 2015, 08:43:45 AM
We have a recent thread on this same topic.

If I believe the intent of the play was a screen pass but falls incomplete within a couple yards of the line of scrimmage. I do not have a flag.  ^no
What was the recent thread? I'd like to read the responses.

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ECILLJ

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Re: Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2015, 11:14:08 AM »
The thread is on the NFHS page and is titled, "Ineligible Downfield or Not???".

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Offline Morningrise

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Re: Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2015, 12:08:55 PM »
Quote from: ValleyOfMegiddo on October 23, 2015, 08:04:30 AM
Need some help on this one from both an NFHS and NCAA perspective...


A1 throws a legal forward pass to A2 who is 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Lineman, A3 is 5 yards up field thinking the pass will be behind the line of scrimmage. However, A1 inadvertently throws over the head of A2 and the pass goes beyond the line of scrimmage (a) untouched; or (b) tipped by A2; prior to landing.

What do you have? Would you throw the flag or not for IG? Please give reasons.

CFO mechanics manual lists this as a philosophy: Pass on an IDF when it was an overthrown screen pass whose intended receiver was behind the NZ. I don't have the exact wording in front of me, but it's definitely spelled out.
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Ineligible Downfield or not
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2015, 12:42:45 PM »
NCAA you'd get an Incorrect call  or Incorrect judgement if you threw on either of these.


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