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Offline dammitbobby

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Illegal Touching
« on: August 11, 2023, 07:12:31 PM »
(This scenario is from an NHFH thread (I added more details) and I don't want to cross streams.)

K punts and they commit illegal touching of the ball downfield at the B45, and bounces to the B35, where R scoops up the ball and runs to the B40.  R fumbles, and K recovers at the B45.  During the kick an official flags R's coach for being outside the team box.  This is the second infraction.

My ruling: Because K's foul is a live ball treated as a dead ball foul, illegal touching is still in play (see rule references below).  B gets the ball at the illegal touching spot + 5 yards.

9-2-5-a penalty statement (for sideline interference):  Administer as a dead-ball foul. First infraction: Warning for sideline interference. No yardage penalty. [S15] Second and third infractions: Delay of game for sideline interference, five yards from the succeeding spot. <<By definition, the succeeding spot is the spot where the ball will next be put into play.  Because the foul is treated as a dead ball foul, which is addressed after the succeeding spot has been determined, the violation spot is still available to B.

6-3-2-b:  This privilege <<illegal touching>> is canceled if there is an accepted penalty for a live-ball foul by either team.  (As I interpret this, because this particular foul is treated as a dead ball foul, illegal touching is not canceled.)

Correct or not?






Offline JasonTX

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Re: Illegal Touching
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2023, 09:46:48 PM »
(This scenario is from an NHFH thread (I added more details) and I don't want to cross streams.)

K punts and they commit illegal touching of the ball downfield at the B45, and bounces to the B35, where R scoops up the ball and runs to the B40.  R fumbles, and K recovers at the B45.  During the kick an official flags R's coach for being outside the team box.  This is the second infraction.

My ruling: Because K's foul is a live ball treated as a dead ball foul, illegal touching is still in play (see rule references below).  B gets the ball at the illegal touching spot + 5 yards.

9-2-5-a penalty statement (for sideline interference):  Administer as a dead-ball foul. First infraction: Warning for sideline interference. No yardage penalty. [S15] Second and third infractions: Delay of game for sideline interference, five yards from the succeeding spot. <<By definition, the succeeding spot is the spot where the ball will next be put into play.  Because the foul is treated as a dead ball foul, which is addressed after the succeeding spot has been determined, the violation spot is still available to B.

6-3-2-b:  This privilege <<illegal touching>> is canceled if there is an accepted penalty for a live-ball foul by either team.  (As I interpret this, because this particular foul is treated as a dead ball foul, illegal touching is not canceled.)

Correct or not?

You crossed streams by leaving K and R on there.  :)  But yeah, the succeeding spot is the spot of illegal touching.

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Re: Illegal Touching
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2023, 02:19:44 AM »
You are also confusing the fouling team, the description says B fouls but then in your ruling you say that A fouled. But yes, I agree with you and JasonTX.

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Re: Illegal Touching
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2023, 08:27:47 AM »
As they say on America's Got Talent, "You have three yesses." (With Kalle's correction, of course.)

(But, judging by the acts we've seen on AGT so far this season, we've about tapped out our talent.)