Play Situations

[Osric Pureheart]

If replay overturns the call on the field and says that it was in fact a pass, replay can "add" the foul for IG. Offsetting fouls, replay 2nd and 20 at the A-40. Game clock on the snap, play clock at 25.

Where I am, if the QB starts a pass attempt and is then hit, we cannot call intentional grounding and must assume he was attempting to throw the ball to a reciever, since we can't say for sure where he would have thrown it without the contact.

[Legacy Zebra]

This is the general philosophy for all of NCAA as well, but then there's Instant Replay Case Play 70. It says that replay can in fact make it grounding if the Referee makes an announcement saying that the reason there isn't a foul is because it was a fumble. If the Referee does not make that announcement (as in Case Play 72), replay cannot add the foul.

[waref]

Replay is not adding the ING foul, all that replay is doing is saying if it was a fumble or a pass.
The reason that the ING foul comes into play is the R by making the announcement is saying that the reason that there is not a ING foul is that the ball was fumbled. 
If replay then comes in and says that it was a pass, the foul comes back on and is credited to the R
If replay says its a fumble there is no foul

[TxSkyBolt]

A power 5 supervisor this weekend said a pass/fumble when passer is hit depends on when he was hit.  Prior to passer initiating the pass, it's on the passer.  After the passer has started his pass motion, it's on the defender (as far as int grounding is concerned).


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[#92]

About that defensive holding: the penalty for Rule 9-3-4-c is "10 or 15 yards".

When is it 15 yards?

[jg-me]

Based on the signal choices given, they seem to be including facemask fouls as a way of illegally using the hands. While accurate, it is a bit confusing since facemask fouls are also included in the personal foul section.

[Kalle]

I guess it is a leftover from the time when there was a 5-yard FM penalty.

[goodgrr]

Play: 4th and 10 on Team A's 30 yard line. Team A punt. The ball rolls to a halt on Team B's 42 yard line when A23 runs up to the ball and touches it on the ground. A few seconds later – as A23 is walking away – B81 runs to the ball, picks it up and runs into his own end zone. Believing he has scored a Touchdown, B81 spikes the ball. The ball goes out of the back of team B's end zone. Ruling?

[Kalle]

Play: 4th and 10 on Team A's 30 yard line. Team A punt. The ball rolls to a halt on Team B's 42 yard line when A23 runs up to the ball and touches it on the ground. A few seconds later – as A23 is walking away – B81 runs to the ball, picks it up and runs into his own end zone. Believing he has scored a Touchdown, B81 spikes the ball. The ball goes out of the back of team B's end zone. Ruling?

As the covering official judged that B81 was attempting to reach the ball at rest before it became dead (based on the fact that there were no hard whistles during the apparent advance by B81), this is a TD. Team A has the option of enforcing the UNS penalty either on the try or the succeeding kickoff, if there is one.

If other officials convince the covering official to change his mind based on their opinion on the ball being dead before recovered by B81, it is 1st and 10 for team B at B-27 as the 15 yard UNS penalty is enforced even if the actions leading to it are ignored by rule.

[goodgrr]

B81 advanced to his OWN end zone...

[Kalle]

B81 advanced to his OWN end zone...

Missed that part...

Well, then it is a safety either due to an illegal incomplete forward pass or a backward pass out of bounds. No UNS penalty.

[Andrew McCarthy]

Missed that part...

Well, then it is a safety either due to an illegal incomplete forward pass or a backward pass out of bounds. No UNS penalty.

Doesn't Team A's touch come into play at all?

[Kalle]

Doesn't Team A's touch come into play at all?

It shows that our season ended in September... obviously it does. If the pass is backwards out of bounds, then team B can take the ball at the illegal touching spot, 1st and 10. If the pass is forward (unlikely based on the description), it is a safety due to the penalty.

[goodgrr]

As a spike isn't defined at all...

Is a spike only after the play subject to 9-2-2-b?

Prior to that it's a pass attempt even if it's illegal to throw on the down? Views?

[Kalle]

As a spike isn't defined at all...

Is a spike only after the play subject to 9-2-2-b?

Prior to that it's a pass attempt even if it's illegal to throw on the down? Views?

Spiking is a special case of throwing the ball (directly to the ground) and any throwing of the ball while it is live is passing (2-19-1, 3-2-5). 9-2-2-b is for dead ball actions only ("after a score or any other play").

[BlindZebra]

A 1/10 at the B-35.  A80 runs a go route up the sideline.  As the ball is in flight, A80 steps out of bounds at the B-5 and jumps from out of bounds for the ball.  B7 tips the ball in flight, which is caught by A80 who lands inbounds at the B-2 and dives for the pylon.   He touches the pylon with his left hand as the ball crosses out of bounds over the ½ yard line.  Ruling?

[Legacy Zebra]

From my reading of the situation, A80 controls the ball while still airborne after his leap from out of bounds. Is that what you mean? If so, it's incomplete as soon as A80 touches it. Even though B7 touches it to make A80 eligible again, A80 is still an out of bounds player until he touches the ground in bounds. Since he touches a loose ball while he is an out of bounds player, the pass is incomplete. This ruling is the same whether B7 touches the pass or not because A80 never returned in bounds and illegal touching requires the receiver to not only go out of bounds, but also come back in bounds before touching the pass for it to be a foul.

[TxSkyBolt]

Incomplete pass. 2/10 at B35


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[BrendanP]

Since a sliding player is now defenseless, would this now be targeting? This was the only play I could recall off the top of my head. Also, if the answer to the previous question is yes, under the new rules, is this a play replay could create a foul for if its not called on the field?



At full speed on the field, it'll probably be called, but not sure whether or not I'd overturn it depending on the angles we had.

[justaLJ]

I say no TGT, looks more like a PF UNR to me

[goodgrr]

I say no TGT, looks more like a PF UNR to me

Do you not see this a forcible hit to the head/neck area?  Is the player defenceless?

[scrounge]

I'd like to see a field-level angle to see if the contact was a wrapup gone bad or a forcible blow to the head - not sure from this angle. And I dunno if this rises to the level of 'egregious' to have replay initiate, but just based on the limited info from this high center angle, I have no problem upholding a TGT call if that's what's made on the field.

[NVFOA_Ump]

IMO this is an attempt at a wrap-up tackle as the defender commits to the tackle at virtually the same time as the runner goes into his slide.  Defender tries to keep his head out of the way and has his arms in a location that would be a wrap around the waist if the runner did not slide at the same time the reach for the tackle was made.  With lots of looks I've got nothing, but I'll concede that in real time this looks ugly.

[BlindZebra]

A 3/7 at the B-16.  QB A8 throws a pass toward A83 deep in Team B’s end zone.  B24 steps in front of A83 and intercepts the pass.  During B24’s attempt to advance the ball out of the end zone, A66 clips B28 in the end zone.  B24 then fumbles the ball out of the end zone and into the field of play, where it is recovered by A50 at the B-6. Ruling?

[Kalle]

Interesting foul. As team A fouled during B's advance, B can have the penalty enforced and potentially keep the ball. Result of the play is not a touchback, so rule 10.2.2.d.2.c applies. 1st and 10 for team B at B-15. Don't bother asking for the option unless time expired on a half and team B leads.