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Re: UIL or TASO
« Reply #225 on: February 13, 2010, 02:16:41 PM »
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How did the 2 man crew that worked the game do?


They were wonderful! Wish I could have gotten the opportunity to work with them! They performed so well! Thinking back on it, it really must have been these guys TASO upbringing that made them work so well together! z^
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« Reply #226 on: February 16, 2010, 09:44:40 AM »
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So exactly when does the original court of jurisdiction, the 98th Civil District Civil Court, get this case back?; now that the Appeals Court has remanded it back to them. Or is everyone just waiting with bated breath to see if the Good UIL Dr. is, indeed, going to march right on down Congress Avenue to the Texas Supreme Court building to further the appellate process? I kind of figured the trial court would want to start docketing pre-trial procedures and setting up the ordered depositions on this case as soon as it was practically possible. z^

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Re: UIL or TASO
« Reply #227 on: February 16, 2010, 11:27:02 AM »
When was it remanded back? I can only find the Injunction on their web page.

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« Reply #228 on: February 16, 2010, 12:04:32 PM »
The Appeals Court only ordered an injunction to be in effect until their decision is rendered which will be in 2 to 6 months.  After that, if they rule in our favor, the case will be remanded back to the District Court for disposition.  This will probably be the time that Dr. B and TT can be deposed and we can finally learn how they got the E-mail addresses.

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« Reply #229 on: February 16, 2010, 12:26:20 PM »
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Thanks for clearing that up for me! Now that it appears that as long as the Appeals Court is holding the trump card on this issue and that it could take anywhere from 2-6 months for them to rule on the core issue, it will probably be "business as usual" for TASO football chapters statewide for at least the 2010 football season.

Along those lines, prior to the Appeals Court ruling, had any TASO football chapters successfully "defected" to the UIL; if so, any word on which ones? If they did, I would think that they would have truly placed themselves between a rock and a hard place! z^

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« Reply #230 on: February 16, 2010, 03:10:56 PM »

Along those lines, prior to the Appeals Court ruling, had any TASO football chapters successfully "defected" to the UIL; if so, any word on which ones? If they did, I would think that they would have truly placed themselves between a rock and a hard place! z^

I am not sure they have as the same arguments as how TASO officials would be needed if there were not enough UIL officials will see the reverse apply also. If a whole chapter has gone over then they will likely still work all the games they would have if they had stayed with TASO.

They will also have an advantage come playoff time if the UIL gets to choose crews when teams cannot agree.

The interesting thing happens when there are two chapters looking for the same games. However, the answer to your question will tell us where these interesting locations are if they in fact exist yet.

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« Reply #231 on: February 16, 2010, 03:23:23 PM »
I have not heard of any competing UIL football chapters, and none was mentioned at the President/Secretary meeting.

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« Reply #232 on: February 16, 2010, 03:38:16 PM »
With the court action in place (TRO/Injunction) I do not believe that any Chapter can become a "UIL Football" chapter. All recruiting and/or registration have been halted for now. I am sure that there were some Chapters whose President & Secretary signed the committment form to join UIL but imagine they aren't worth much right now.

As of the TASO Football Board meeting a week ago only one Chapter had not submitted their TASO dues....that would be the Waco Chapter. Not sure if they have since then.

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« Reply #233 on: February 20, 2010, 10:02:59 PM »
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Just another update from the UIL-Houston Basketball Chapter: Several dual members(having paid dues to both TASO and UIL Chapters from Houston) have reported that after having been found to be working playoff games/regional tournament games for the TASO-Houston Chapter by the UIL-Houston Chapter   :bOW "El Presidente", they have subsequently been denied further receipt of UIL playoff games, most notably by the UIL-Houston Chapter leadership simply by their telling the inquiring coaches/athletic directors that those particular individuals are simply "not available." The long-serving Secretary of this chapter has basically been forbidden to assign any games, as once had been his duty while under the TASO banner; now he just makes the necessary telephone calls to the individual membership on the games that they have been selected for or duly assigned by "El Presidente." To that end, the coaches/athletic directors have been directed to call only "El Presidente" if they would like to make officials selections for a particular playoff game or to have him set up assignments of chapter playoff officials.  I really can't help but wonder if this is the standard operating procedure that is practiced and dictated by the Good UIL Dr. and his UIL troop of surrogates! I guess that that's just good old UIL leadership for you!

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« Reply #234 on: February 21, 2010, 03:41:56 PM »
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Just another update from the UIL-Houston Basketball Chapter: Several dual members(having paid dues to both TASO and UIL Chapters from Houston) have reported that after having been found to be working playoff games/regional tournament games for the TASO-Houston Chapter by the UIL-Houston Chapter   :bOW "El Presidente", they have subsequently been denied further receipt of UIL playoff games, most notably by the UIL-Houston Chapter leadership simply by their telling the inquiring coaches/athletic directors that those particular individuals are simply "not available." The long-serving Secretary of this chapter has basically been forbidden to assign any games, as once had been his duty while under the TASO banner; now he just makes the necessary telephone calls to the individual membership on the games that they have been selected for or duly assigned by "El Presidente." To that end, the coaches/athletic directors have been directed to call only "El Presidente" if they would like to make officials selections for a particular playoff game or to have him set up assignments of chapter playoff officials.  I really can't help but wonder if this is the standard operating procedure that is practiced and dictated by the Good UIL Dr. and his UIL troop of surrogates! I guess that that's just good old UIL leadership for you!

To quote Mel Brooks depicting King Louis XVI in the French Revolution from History of the World, Part I, "It's good to be the King!"  z^

Why doesn't the TASO chapter contact those coaches to inform them of the availability of those officials and inform  them that future assignments should be made by the TASO chapter.

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« Reply #235 on: February 21, 2010, 08:04:55 PM »
Why doesn't the TASO chapter contact those coaches to inform them of the availability of those officials and inform  them that future assignments should be made by the TASO chapter.

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Primarily because the UIL(and with a rich "rubber-stamped" blessing from the UIL Legislative Council) had previously issued an ultimatum somewhat to the effect that all officials who are named to work 2010 UIL basketball playoff games must be properly registered with the UIL. I would think that these aggrieved individual officials could make a case with the UIL by so informing the Good UIL Dr. of their plight. But in all reality, who would you suppose that the Good UIL Dr. is going to actually stand up for? These aggrieved TASO basketball officials; or for his "prize star pupil", good ole :bOW "El Presidente" of the UIL-Houston Basketball Chapter? z^
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« Reply #236 on: February 22, 2010, 08:11:30 AM »
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Primarily because the UIL(and with a rich "rubber-stamped" blessing from the UIL Legislative Council) had previously issued an ultimatum somewhat to the effect that all officials who are named to work 2010 UIL basketball playoff games must be properly registered with the UIL. I would think that these aggrieved individual officials could make a case with the UIL by so informing the Good UIL Dr. of their plight. But in all reality, who would you suppose that the Good UIL Dr. is going to actually stand up for? These aggrieved TASO basketball officials; or for his "prize star pupil", good ole :bOW "El Presidente" of the UIL-Houston Basketball Chapter? z^

I thought the court ruling put everything back the way it was prior to the UIL takeover attempt.  If so, those UIL chapters don't even exist.  Or perhaps the court ruling just prevenst them from signing anyone else up, but those that had already signed up can continue to be UIL members.

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« Reply #237 on: February 22, 2010, 11:38:42 AM »
I thought the court ruling put everything back the way it was prior to the UIL takeover attempt.  If so, those UIL chapters don't even exist.  Or perhaps the court ruling just prevenst them from signing anyone else up, but those that had already signed up can continue to be UIL members.

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I had the very same thought process, but it appears that the Appeals Court's latest ruling only prohibits the UIL from recruiting activities of TASO officials and further prohibits that recruiting activity on its website. It really doesn't address the UIL being in a position to effectively recruit John Q. Public as one of its UIL officials. After all, and as you might well remember, the Dancing Monkey's announced remedy to the covert threat of TASO Chapters and Officials walking-out was simply to go knocking on doors to recruit interested parties to become officials. I can't help but think that our little UIL friend as well as the Good UIL Dr.'s rationale in doing this is that they see a less than stellar economy, and they just kinda figure that there's a bunch of folks sitting around out there needing some form of revenue to help make it on, and selling them on the premise that officiating a high school or junior high football, basketball, baseball, softball, or soccer game could be the ticket to help put money in their pocket and bread on the table~ and that's not even taking into consideration that these folks had ever given any prior consideration to even think about donning stripes.


It is hardly a secret that if the law of supply and demand ever dictated that the UIL and the AD's could get by with only paying an official a $20.00 flat fee for a Varsity game, then that's exactly what they would pay! And while paying out that bare bones minimum, they would still continue in their attempt to work their magic and to push every step of the way to significantly lower that bottom-line figure even further!  z^
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Re: UIL or TASO
« Reply #238 on: February 22, 2010, 11:42:55 AM »
I suspect there are many FB guys who would NOT like to be paid on a supply and demand system cause they would see a big pay decrease (and yes, I know there are others who would see an increase).

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« Reply #239 on: February 22, 2010, 11:55:47 AM »
Mike, I think you are very wrong.  With coaches essentially choosing officials across the state, with a few exceptions, do you think the coaches would rather choose officials they don't want to a price they like or choose the officials they do want for the price that the officials and school agree upon?  For 5A and 4A, I strongly believe it would be the latter. 

Have you ever met a coach that really cares one bit about his budget, especially if he was not also the AD?  I have not.

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« Reply #240 on: February 22, 2010, 12:01:54 PM »
I would say the events of the past several months shows who is running the show and it is NOT coaches.

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« Reply #241 on: February 22, 2010, 12:26:18 PM »
I would say the events of the past several months shows who is running the show and it is NOT coaches.

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Totally in agreement! It's pretty much a no-brainer that the UIL and the AD's are the ones who currently have the lions share of the clout! z^

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« Reply #242 on: February 22, 2010, 12:39:27 PM »
I would say the events of the past several months shows who is running the show and it is NOT coaches.

So you believe that the AD's would settle for unqualified officials for varsity football games in order to save money?  I still don't agree with that.

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« Reply #243 on: February 22, 2010, 12:46:41 PM »
There are plenty of "qualified" officials sitting at home every Fri night in many parts of the state.

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« Reply #244 on: February 22, 2010, 01:44:46 PM »
There are plenty of "qualified" officials sitting at home every Fri night in many parts of the state.

True, but in some parts of the state there are not enough to go around.
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« Reply #245 on: February 22, 2010, 02:01:26 PM »
Hence my recognition of that when I first commented.  Supply and demand might benefit them but not other places.

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« Reply #246 on: February 22, 2010, 03:13:40 PM »
Mike, I think you've hit on something very important that TASO and UIL need to constantly keep in mind.  What fits for Houston will not always fit for Odessa, and vice-versa.  And, it isn't just a numbers game, it is a quality of numbers game as well.

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« Reply #247 on: February 23, 2010, 08:50:01 AM »
If (and it is a big big if) UIL some how comes out on top of the lawsuit.  You will see a lot of supply and demand come into effect with officiating.  How much money will a school pay to have officials at their game?  How much will it take to get 5 TASO die hards to register with the UIL to officiate a big money game?  Everyone has their price.

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« Reply #248 on: February 23, 2010, 11:39:00 AM »
If (and it is a big big if) UIL some how comes out on top of the lawsuit.  You will see a lot of supply and demand come into effect with officiating.  How much money will a school pay to have officials at their game?  How much will it take to get 5 TASO die hards to register with the UIL to officiate a big money game?  Everyone has their price.

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If the UIL has their way about it, then that "big money game" that you're referring to will probably amount to no more than about $100.00, inclusive of mileage. Division 3's, 4's, and 5's might, no doubt, step on each other to get to those games, but I'm almost positive that the upper echelon of officials, other than a select few who either desire a "ring game" or a state semi-final, will exercise a more sound judgement when it comes to game pay without gate receipts. The gate receipt formula has, in effect, been stricken for all sports sans football; but if the UIL can help the AD's hold on to all of that football revenue that they're raking in, then can a football "flat-fee" structure really be that far down the road from now? Now that's what I would call "UIL Supply and Demand!" z^

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« Reply #249 on: April 27, 2010, 01:16:37 PM »
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Have just received word that the Houston UIL Basketball Chapter is now late in not sending out its dues notices to its members for the 2010-11 season, which normally encompasses UIL state and local fees. This would mean that they obviously have not antied-up their dues to the Good UIL Dr. and are not current, unless the UIL has given them some form of dispensation. Given that, I know that a standing court order from the 98th Civil District Court in Austin remains in effect(despite recently having been elevated to the Third Court of Appeals by the UIL) that prohibits the UIL from engaging in the recruitment of officials for any sport, or materially participating in related activities. Does this mean that this legal prohibition handed down against the UIL would also preclude any collection of dues or fees by the UIL, as that, in and of itself, could well amount to material participation on their part in officiating activities~ seemingly a direct violation of that standing court order. Does anyone have any official or unofficial word if any of the other UIL sanctioned Basketball Chapters( or for that matter, any of the other affected sports) has, in fact, remitted their 2010-11 annual dues to the UIL? Enquiring minds would love to know!  z^