UIL or TASO

[Arbitrator]

 

Negotiate for what? To see if the   Good UIL Dr. will advance us up the ladder on his playoff preference list? To see who can get the best numbers from his "take-a-number" dispenser to see who gets to kiss up to him first? If TASO has the funds, Fitch needs to advocate spending them on TASO's preservation. If the UIL wins, high school officiating in Texas will never quite be the same.

This is in no way a frivelous suit. Mr. Schumann would never dream of pressing the envelope if he even remotely felt that it was anywhere close to being frivelous. It may be a tough case to win, but we'll never really know until we try! So if you're absolutely content with the burial of TASO and beginning your period of indentured servitude to the Manor Road Crowd, then go for it! I only hope that you'll find it in your heart in joining me in standing up for TASO and it's total preservation!  

[ornery1]

It may be a tough case to win, but we'll never really know until we try! So if you're absolutely content with the burial of TASO and beginning your period of indentured servitude to the Manor Road Crowd, then go for it!

It will be a tough case, you will lose. I will be content to have Dr B. and Tony Timmons as our new leaders. Screw TASO, they have never done anything for us, except take our dues. Now that they are being pressed and guys like Bud and others are gonna lose their huge salaries, TASO and the BIG CHAPTERS wanna save their hides. TOO LATE.

[Cooter]

I give up - I'll vote for TASO - just no more Kenny Rogers lyrics - PLEASE.  That's a personal foul!

[ballhog]

Arb, I'm sure Mr. Schumann is curious to see if you are going to step up and pay his share of the fine for filing a frivolous lawsuit if and when that day gets here?  There's just so much more at stake here that who gets to assign your games and determines how much money we make.  We're skating on thin ice, and if the ice breaks in a bad way, its only Mr. Schumann who gets both cold and wet!

Frivolous, really? Where and how does your great mind conceive of that as a response from the Appeals Court? The court   defined the legal standing of the UIL and clarified how the action can proceed. Stating the action is frivolous is about as uneducated as announcing that TASO got their butts beat. If the action were frivolous the Appeals court would have dismissed it on lack of merit.  I find it so hard to believe that someone would rather replace an organization that is run by the membership with a state entity. I mean we all know how government involvement improves everything.

[WABill]

I give up - I'll vote for TASO - just no more Kenny Rogers lyrics - PLEASE.  That's a personal foul!

Aaron Tippit - not the Gambler on that one!

[Getting Fat]

"I find it so hard to believe that someone would rather replace an organization that is run by the membership with a state entity."

 - More true words have never been spoken (typed)

[ka_mole]

Just heard, the lawsuit is back on, refiled.

[TXMike]

From rgvsports.com:

TASO lawsuit against the UIL is dismissed
September 08, 2010 11:37 AM
From UIL Reports
New release from the UIL

AUSTIN — A lawsuit filed the by the Texas Association of Sports Officials against the University Interscholastic League was dismissed by the Third Court of Appeals in Austin on August 27, 2010. This decision reverses the trial court’s order, which denied UIL sovereign immunity.
 
“We are pleased that the authority for UIL member schools to make rules for high school contests was upheld,” said UIL Executive Director Dr. Charles Breithaupt.  “We’re excited about the future for all officials and the member schools they serve.  We have always supported and appreciated our officials in all our contests, and without them, we couldn’t have the quality of competition in our state.  We look forward to working with them in the future in a positive manner.”
 
“The appellate court’s ruling makes clear that the UIL is the state agency that the legislature has entrusted with regulating school sports in Texas.  The UIL will continue to live up to that mandate, seeking to make policy that best serves Texas schools, dedicated officials, and—most importantly—Texas student athletes,” said UIL attorney Greg Coleman.
 
The suit originated following the decision of the UIL Legislative Council to require games played by UIL member schools to be officiated by UIL registered officials.  This rule change, in addition to a significant pay increase for officials was unanimously approved by the UIL Legislative Council in October 2009, and approved by the TEA Commissioner of Education in November 2009 as required by the Texas Education Code.
 
Originally intended to be effective for the beginning of the 2010-11 school year, the rule changes to Section 1204 of the UIL Constitution and Contest Rules and pay increase for officials are slated to go into effect on November 1, 2010.

“The UIL staff looks forward to working closely with the officials and UIL member schools to facilitate the smooth implementation of the rule changes approved by the Council,” said UIL Policy Director Dr. Mark Cousins.
 
The UIL will provide free registration for individuals desiring to officiate UIL member school contests, along with optional services that can be purchased if they choose.
 
Since the dismissal of its original lawsuit, TASO has filed a second lawsuit against UIL officials. A temporary restraining order requested by TASO that would have prevented the UIL from registering officials was denied Tuesday.

[Arbitrator]

 

My prayers are truly answered! TXMike: Please post the particulars of the new lawsuit as soon as you get them. And should I get them first, then I'll be all too happy to do the same! 

[Getting Fat]

Arbitrator - you read the last line?

"Since the dismissal of its original lawsuit, TASO has filed a second lawsuit against UIL officials. A temporary restraining order requested by TASO that would have prevented the UIL from registering officials was denied Tuesday."

[Arbitrator]

Arbitrator - you read the last line?

"Since the dismissal of its original lawsuit, TASO has filed a second lawsuit against UIL officials. A temporary restraining order requested by TASO that would have prevented the UIL from registering officials was denied Tuesday."

 

Yeah, GF! I read it! But I'm all too thankful that the lawsuit will continue to go forward! Now we'll get to really see who is loyal to TASO; in essence to see just who amongst us will take advantage of that good ole free UIL registration! Any takers, y'all?   

[504coach]

Happy Days are here again... You see what happens when you entrust the UIL to negotiate?  Don't stop until the good Dr. and the dancing monkey are forced to testify under oath.

[fencewire]

Here is the PDF that just showed up in my mailbox that I still don't know how UIL obtained, and BTW they sent me a text too... Now I know.

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[JasonTX]

Arb, do you not understadn teh second lawsuit was dissmissed?

UIL just blasted a broadcast email to us. Again on my stolen email addresses.

Everyone needs to reply back to have your email address removed from their database.  Are you sure the 2nd lawsuit was dismissed or just they wouldn't put a temp. restraining order on them.  I belive the lawsuit will still move forward. 

[rickref]

The article said it was denied Tuesday? To me it is clear it failed. It makes since since we see UIL broadcast emails.

[TXMike]

Only the TRO was denied Tuesday. 

[TxBJ]

I am very frustrated by TASO's lack of communication regarding this series of events this week. Let us know what is going on!

[rickref]

I agree with the BJ. Some communication could have gone out yesterday when this was complete. 

[TexDoc]

The timing is certainly suspect.  This is just before the last Friday of regular season football play, and a week before the start of the playoffs.  

From the ULI:

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY
To: All Sports Officials
From: UIL
Subject: Registration of Officials for UIL Athletic Contests
Date: September 7, 2010
Beginning November 1, 2010, section 1204 of the 2010-11 UIL Constitution and Contest Rules (C&CR), as approved by
the UIL Legislative Council, will be in effect. According to section 1204 (b) of the 2010-11 C&CR:
Section 1204: OFFICIALS
(b) REGISTRATION OF SPORTS OFFICIALS FOR UIL CONTESTS. UIL member schools shall use officials
registered with the UIL in all varsity contests. If non-UIL registered officials are to be used for any varsity
contests, the involved schools must receive prior approval from the UIL Director of Athletics. Exceptions:
(1) In individual sports (cross country, golf, swimming and diving, team tennis, tennis, track and field and
wrestling) schools may select and use non-UIL registered referees for contests.
(2) Unless mutually decided otherwise UIL member schools shall use UIL registered officials for non-varsity
games.
(3) Officials assigned to the playoffs shall be UIL-registered officials.
(4) Approved local officials organizations/chapters must have on file with UIL a copy of their constitutions, rules
and by-laws that outline their disciplinary procedures for dealing with officials who fail to follow the rules and
regulations of the UIL and/or the approved local officials organization/chapter.
Registration for officials wishing to officiate with UIL contests will be available immediately. The FREE online
registration process consists of two steps. The first step is the creation of an official’s profile associating each official
with an approved chapter for directory information. This information will be used to communicate needed sports related
information and assign playoff games/matches if necessary. The second step will include completion of the Officials
Compliance Program (OCP) as outlined in section 1204 (o) of the C&CR, which is available on the UIL website.
The FREE online registration process can be accessed online through the UIL web site www.uiltexas.org or directly at:
http://uil.arbitersports.com/front/105040/registration
For the purposes of receiving rule books, general liability insurance, directors and officers insurance, testing, training and
education, chapters may determine their affiliation with an organization that provides those services (i.e., UIL, TASO,
etc.).
Additionally, as of November 1, 2010 the fee schedule approved by the Legislative Council for the 2010-11 school year
will also be in effect. The fee schedule and other information concerning the payment of officials is available on the UIL
web site (www.uiltexas.org) under the Sports Officials tab.

[TexDoc]

I agree with the BJ. Some communication could have gone out yesterday when this was complete. 

Indicative of what happens when you must do things by committee.  Everyone must agree and add their two cents and it just bogs down communication.  TASO has to become more nimble with these issues and communication.

[rickref]

Indicative of what happens when you must do things by committee.  Everyone must agree and add their two cents and it just bogs down communication.  TASO has to become more nimble with these issues and communication.

NO worries I undersatnd. I am just fighting the fires....

[fencewire]

I would like more clarification on this point...

For the purposes of receiving rule books, general liability insurance, directors and officers insurance, testing, training and
education, chapters may determine their affiliation with an organization that provides those services (i.e., UIL, TASO,
etc.).

I would guess that negotiations broke down, and so the second lawsuit was filed, but one has to wonder, why now it is free and this statement is in the letter.  Would be nice if we had some information from our side of the fence..

[JasonTX]

Wonder how quickly UIL could go door to door to get officials to work the playoffs if we all did not register? 

[TXMike]

Who cares about the playoffs?  They could potentially have a MUCH larger problem the last week of the regular season.  Many more games that week on Nov 5 than there will be in 1st week of playoffs. 

What if the 2 schools in that last week use "non UIL " officials and 1 or both then go to the playoffs.  Could other schools try to block them from going forward due to use of "non UIL" officials?

[Etref]

I replied to UIL telling them to take my name off their damn list.