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National Federation Discussion / Re: Horse Collar
« Last post by AlUpstateNY on Yesterday at 06:33:23 PM »
The foul is for a horse collar TACKLE, not for grabbing the collar.  If he's not taken to the ground by the collar, no flag.  If a defender has the collar but he falls forward, no flag.  If one defender is holding by the collar, and a second defender comes in and makes the tackle, no flag.

I would agree with points 1 and 2, however, regarding point 3, if one defender is HOLDING the collar or prohibited area WHEN points 1 and 2 are  abused and satisfied, I would consider the violation occurring, regardless of who, or how many, assist in the tackle.

The only acceptable reason, for splitting hairs, should be CAUTION (to the players).
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National Federation Discussion / Re: 2018 Rule Change
« Last post by GA Umpire on Yesterday at 05:48:35 PM »
I recall reading an interpretation on the 2018 tack on penalty during a kick down.  The interpretation was the foul had to happen during the kick, which appears to conflict with the language of the rule.  Was this in the case book?

Scenario: K live ball fouls during a punt.  R receives the kick and returns for a TD.  What are R’s options?
Below is a case play from the 2018 Case Book.

 *6.1.9 SITUATION I:

R returns K’s scrimmage kick for a touchdown and (a) during the kick, K commits a holding foul, or (b) during the runback, K commits a foul for blocking below the waist.

RULING: In (a), the succeeding spot from this play is the goal line (touchdown), therefore R may accept the foul with the distance penalty enforced on the try or decline the foul. In either case, the touchdown will score; however, since the foul occurred before the change of possession, there is no option to enforce the distance penalty from the succeeding kickoff. In (b), because the foul occurred on a play in which a touchdown was scored after the change in possession, R can count the touchdown and have the foul enforced on the try or on the succeeding kickoff per 8-2-3. (6-1-9, 8-2-3)
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National Federation Discussion / 2018 Rule Change
« Last post by NCVAReferee on Yesterday at 04:10:17 PM »
I recall reading an interpretation on the 2018 tack on penalty during a kick down.  The interpretation was the foul had to happen during the kick, which appears to conflict with the language of the rule.  Was this in the case book?

Scenario: K live ball fouls during a punt.  R receives the kick and returns for a TD.  What are R’s options?
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Texas Topics / Re: 7 Man Crews vs 5 Man Crews......What's Up??
« Last post by centexsports on Yesterday at 03:48:05 PM »
Two years ago I had a 5a vs 6a game with 5 officials.   The assigning secretary called and said that two younger officials (two really good ones) had offered to work with my crew for free for the experience.   I called the home coach and he was hesitant. He said that two more official meant more flags.   After some discussion, he agreed.   In the third quarter, one of the wings threw a flag and the coach came running on the field yelling :I told you there would be more flags with seven officials."   


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Texas Topics / Re: 7 Man Crews vs 5 Man Crews......What's Up??
« Last post by JDM on Yesterday at 12:12:30 PM »
So we just went through our draft with the coaches and we are seeing more 5A and 6A schools picking 5 man crews.  It seems the smaller schools that had 7man last year and staying with 7man.  Does anyone have any ideas as to why 5A and 6A schools seem to not be going this way?

Although there are a few districts/schools serviced by the Houston Chapter who choose 5 man crews, we've been trending 7 man for several years - ~72% of all games last year.
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Texas Topics / Re: 7 Man Crews vs 5 Man Crews......What's Up??
« Last post by bctgp on Yesterday at 11:24:21 AM »
It's a debate between letting the client decide or forcing it on them.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Horse Collar
« Last post by VALJ on Yesterday at 08:45:51 AM »
The foul is for a horse collar TACKLE, not for grabbing the collar.  If he's not taken to the ground by the collar, no flag.  If a defender has the collar but he falls forward, no flag.  If one defender is holding by the collar, and a second defender comes in and makes the tackle, no flag. 
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Texas Topics / Re: 7 Man Crews vs 5 Man Crews......What's Up??
« Last post by TexDoc on Yesterday at 08:32:32 AM »
6A and 5A schools shouldn't have the choice to go with less than 7 if the chapter that services them offers enough 7 man crews.  Many coaches don't like more officials because they catch too much.  Yes, coaches do like to cheat sometimes.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Horse Collar
« Last post by FLAHL on Yesterday at 05:35:09 AM »
The rule as written (without including the 2019 addition regarding the name plate) seems expressly clear and complete.

Agreed. IMHO, it might be “too complete”, if that’s possible. It sounds like we’re all enforcing the letter of the rule - the runner must be brought down backwards. I’d be in favor of eliminating “to the ground” from the wording of the rule.  That way, when a runner is yanked backwards by the horse collar and his knees buckle, we don’t have to wait to see if he goes to the ground backwards, sideways, or at all.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Taking a Knee - Massachusetts
« Last post by TampaSteve on May 21, 2019, 11:16:52 PM »
to reiterate what others said - nothing covers this in the rule book. - and with things such as these I'll err towards safety with HS ball.
I suppose Im from the mindset of:
team A has outplayed team B for +/-47min and is up by 9 or more points. seeing that kids will be kids, unless they play for a guy named schiano - who has bounced more than a basketball, Im leaning towards not not giving the opportunity for a kid from B to cheap shot anyone after getting beat for 47min.
Of course, this is a fine topic to cover with coaches at a pre-game meeting.
To the point, if team A says they're taking a knee and do not do so, it seems it would fall with USC to me ala 'wrong ball' category
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