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National Federation Discussion / Re: Starting the clock
« Last post by theunofficialofficial on Today at 04:44:33 PM »
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IMHO, this change may have far reaching benefits. Adopting the NCAA cranking of the clock on RFP on OOB plays until last 2 minutes has many supporters. The concern of the officials is handling the time rule change in the last 2 minutes. This change should prove that concern to be unfounded.
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Ralph,
I'd love to see Federation adopt the crank the clock on OOB outside of 2mins per half. How much support or lack of support does this have in federation? Seems like more and more teams are going to spread offenses with lots of dropped passes. Anything we can do to keep the clock moving and shorten games would be much appreciated. Sometimes there is only so much time you can administer away.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Starting the clock
« Last post by AlUpstateNY on Today at 07:35:14 AM »
Good points, Curious. tiphat:

IMHO, sometimes we need to be careful of what we wish for.
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Your prediction (delusion) seems neither "fast" nor "slow", more like "half fast".
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Starting the clock
« Last post by Ralph Damren on Today at 07:14:17 AM »
Good points, Curious. tiphat:

IMHO, sometimes we need to be careful of what we wish for. Expanding the choice to allow cranking on the snap to changed to RFP could then allow a team to request RFP on a free kick after a safety or score. With the expansion would come a string of exceptions. Exceptions are not very popular.

IMHO, this change removes the need for the white hat to decide if Big Ole' Bubba tipped over intentionally to lose 5 yards AND gain another 25 seconds. 3-4-6 would still give authority to crank the clock on IG and such.

IMHO, this change may have far reaching benefits. Adopting the NCAA cranking of the clock on RFP on OOB plays until last 2 minutes has many supporters. The concern of the officials is handling the time rule change in the last 2 minutes. This change should prove that concern to be unfounded.

IMHO, THOSE Boston Celtics are toast :(....OUR New England Red Sox are on a roll....

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Texas Topics / Re: 2017 UIL Exceptions
« Last post by TexDoc on Today at 06:45:15 AM »
I worked with a DII crew in a semi last year. None had ever worked IR. R was solid and I think we had 4 stoppages and 1 reversal. Worked flawlessly. No issues. It takes a dedicated R to learn the rules and process before the game.


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I've seen several CUSA get really screwed up by it.  A lot depends on the IRO as well.  Those guys have to make quick decisions so they cannot be indecisive and disrupt the flow of the game. 
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Starting the clock
« Last post by Curious on Yesterday at 02:03:37 PM »
The team that fouled should never gain a clock advantage !!

I totally agree with "dch" and must admit I've has some real problems with the interpretation posited by some folks I respect on this board  :bOWthat this new timing rule cannot "trump" the malor clock starter/stoppers - but I can't find any "official" verbage to support that interpretation hEaDbAnG :!#

I am pleased about thIs rule change, conceptually, as no one liked to see any team’s ability to potentially catch up or win because of an opponent’s continual fouling.This usually occurred when team A led late in a game and, by false starting continually, they could theoretically eat up the remaining time without ever snapping the ball (unless the R decided to invoke rule 3-4-6).

But, what about a foul (OPI let’s say) by Team A which trailed during the last 2 minutes of the game.  The pass was incomplete - stopping the clock with just a few seconds remaining. Shouldn’t team B be offered the option of starting the clock on the RFP?  After all, B was the “offended” team. If we accept that this new rule could not trump other (major) clock/start rules, and since the pass was incomplete, the clock would still have to be started on the snap – theoretically allowing A another play.  This appears to suggest that the new rule applies only if the B is behind and only if there is no “major clock stopper” (incomplete pass, runner goes OOB, etc)

I have some other questions/plays to consider.  In each of these, Team A trails by 6 or fewer points and has no TOs.

1.Team A commits OPI during the last 2 minutes of either half. The pass is complete In B’s end zone.  There is one second on the clock when the play ii over. Obviously, B will accept the penalty; and following enforcement, by rule (3-4-3d), the clock would start on the snap.  Since Team B is the “offended” party, why shouldn’t they be offered the option to start the clock on the RFP?  If A can’t get the play off in time, the game would then end.

2.Same situation: This time A holds on a successful FG which ties the game.  Same question for same reason…

3.Team A commits a BIB following a completed pass to B’s 5 yd line where the receiver runs OOB stopping the clock with 1 second remaining in a 1 point game. 

4.If any of the preceding plays/fouls occur during the last timed down of the period, is the new rule moot (since time expired) or can the game be ended with no points awarded if applicable?
     

 
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Texas Topics / 2017 UIL Exceptions
« Last post by TxSkyBolt on Yesterday at 01:13:25 PM »
I worked with a DII crew in a semi last year. None had ever worked IR. R was solid and I think we had 4 stoppages and 1 reversal. Worked flawlessly. No issues. It takes a dedicated R to learn the rules and process before the game.


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National Federation Discussion / Re: Starting the clock
« Last post by dch on Yesterday at 01:07:22 PM »
The team that fouled should never gain a clock advantage !!
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Texas Topics / Re: 2017 UIL Exceptions
« Last post by Rulesman on Yesterday at 10:55:52 AM »
I would imagine most of those guys have worked with IR before.
Most have not and I've often asked the same question. But... there are D-1 guys running the replay booth if that's any consolation.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Starting the clock
« Last post by Ralph Damren on Yesterday at 09:14:27 AM »
Don't forget:  The referee can invoke 3-4-6 if he/she feels Team A is trying to conserve time.
Good point, GA Umpire, I've always applied this to IG flags to conserve time (crank 'er) and any dead-ball fouls by A when leading with only a few minutes left (hold to snap).I'll announce to the coaches/captains :

 " Because the intentional grounding was to conserve time, the clock will start on the ready-for-play."

                                  or,

 " Because the illegal act would give an unfair advantage, the clock will start on the snap."

I don't try to guess if big ole' Bubba intentionally tipped over into the neutral zone. I give B the benefit of the doubt.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: And other good sayings
« Last post by Ralph Damren on Yesterday at 08:56:20 AM »
There is no such thing as fair when it comes to football or sports or even life in general.  So stop saying not fair unless you are talking about the county fair which is full of rides and animal shows and games of chance which by the way are all rigged to not be fair!
  VERY GOOD POINT!!

    COACH : ".....that's not fair :o??"
    OFFICIAL : "....but it's the rule 8] !!"
    COACH : ".....then the rule's not fair >:( >:( !"
   
We all are faced with rules and laws that we don't feel are fair. We have the following choices:

  (1) write to our congressman/ police chief/ rules committee rep;
  (2) realize that these same rules/laws affects all others, too;
  (3) grown ,moan ,rant , rave , and develop HBP or ulcers.

 yEs: yEs: >:( hEaDbAnG hEaDbAnG hEaDbAnG hEaDbAnG hEaDbAnG hEaDbAnG pi1eOn pi1eOn
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