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General Discussion / Re: Why do we officiate.
« Last post by Official_21 on Today at 04:45:42 AM »
I wanted to get back into officiating, but unfortunately, I had some prior commitments that prevented me from working Sub varsity games.

This is where I decided to become a clock operator & I do not regret it one bit.

I really enjoy the  job, but the enjoyment I get out of the job comes with a lot of responsibility. I also enjoy the job because I really like working with different crews.
Most of all I get plenty of satisfaction when I get told by the crew chief or a member of the crew that I did a good job.

The crowning achievement for me personally was when a crew that I worked with last year asked me to become their permanent clock operator in only my second year of being a clock operator.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Loose Ball Play
« Last post by Kalle on February 26, 2021, 11:44:25 PM »
Slide 13 is the same as NCAA.  Your answer is more thorough.  I was going for simplicity.

Yeah, 99.999% of the time the enforcement is from the end of the kick, as it is really unlikely for team B to be able to foul behind that spot (a really short kick with a hold on the gunner further downfield comes to mind).
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Loose Ball Play
« Last post by bossman72 on February 26, 2021, 05:09:52 PM »
They are great.  A lot of work has went into those.

But NO, do not use Federation materials to try to learn NCAA penalty enforcement.  There are some concepts, like "Clean Hands", that apply to both.  But generally you will confuse yourself if you try to do that.
 
ETA: There are certainly people out there that know both and they know the differences very well.  But if you are in your first few years and you really only need to know one set of rules, then my suggestion is to stick with that set of rules and the material that's oriented towards them.

I'm one of those weirdos that know the differences very well.  What always helped me was to learn the NCAA rule inside and out and the NFHS rule is usually "simpler".  For instance, you have many different enforcement spots specified in NCAA.  NFHS, EVERYTHING is All-but-one (3 and 1).  So if you know how to do that, you can enforce anything in NFHS.  Intentional grounding has exceptions in NCAA.  NFHS is simpler in that you only need to worry about finding a receiver in the area.  Rarely do you have to learn a whole new concept for NFHS rules... they're usually just simpler versions of NCAA rules without the exceptions.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Loose Ball Play
« Last post by bossman72 on February 26, 2021, 05:05:31 PM »
Like others have already said, in general, no, but in this particular case, with a caveat on slide #13 (in NCAA it is a simple 3-1 enforcement with the end of the kick spot being the basic spot), the clean hands document seems to be identical, and the carry-over has a separate tab for NCAA.

Slide 13 is the same as NCAA.  Your answer is more thorough.  I was going for simplicity.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Correctable errors
« Last post by AlUpstateNY on February 26, 2021, 12:43:46 PM »
If my guys miss it because of watching a block or such, at least we can go back and retroactively award the fc. and no, I would not apply the god rule to this situation. Itís covered by rule.
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Actually, the intended purpose of NFHS 1-1-6 is NOT to establish some "divine authority" with omnipotent command authority.  On the contrary, it's an effort to establish a designated "decision maker" to render a final and BINDING judgment when contradicting conclusions prevent voluntary consensus about matters/issues NOT SPECIFICALLY addressed by rule.

Specific language is included to hopefully direct settlement towards practical, and effective, solutions that minimize, or eliminate any excessive harm, or benefit, towards any one perspective, or interest allowing the contest to progress without unnecessary, lingering dispute. 
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Loose Ball Play
« Last post by Kalle on February 26, 2021, 12:03:13 PM »
These are great - are they also correct for NCAA?  I'd love to use these as a resource but don't want to have to fact check every single item LOL.

Like others have already said, in general, no, but in this particular case, with a caveat on slide #13 (in NCAA it is a simple 3-1 enforcement with the end of the kick spot being the basic spot), the clean hands document seems to be identical, and the carry-over has a separate tab for NCAA.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Loose Ball Play
« Last post by CalhounLJ on February 26, 2021, 10:27:09 AM »
They are great.  A lot of work has went into those.

But NO, do not use Federation materials to try to learn NCAA penalty enforcement.  There are some concepts, like "Clean Hands", that apply to both.  But generally you will confuse yourself if you try to do that.
 
ETA: There are certainly people out there that know both and they know the differences very well.  But if you are in your first few years and you really only need to know one set of rules, then my suggestion is to stick with that set of rules and the material that's oriented towards them.
This is great advice. Early in my baseball career I tried to do both. Ended up being a jack of all trades but master of none. My advice is the same as snapper. Master one set before you try to expand into another. Whichever sport you pick.


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National Federation Discussion / Re: Loose Ball Play
« Last post by Snapper on February 26, 2021, 10:01:59 AM »
These are great - are they also correct for NCAA?  I'd love to use these as a resource but don't want to have to fact check every single item LOL.

They are great.  A lot of work has went into those.

But NO, do not use Federation materials to try to learn NCAA penalty enforcement.  There are some concepts, like "Clean Hands", that apply to both.  But generally you will confuse yourself if you try to do that.
 
ETA: There are certainly people out there that know both and they know the differences very well.  But if you are in your first few years and you really only need to know one set of rules, then my suggestion is to stick with that set of rules and the material that's oriented towards them.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Loose Ball Play
« Last post by AlUpstateNY on February 26, 2021, 09:43:51 AM »
These are great - are they also correct for NCAA?  I'd love to use these as a resource but don't want to have to fact check every single item LOL.

You might try the NFHS.org website, under the different sports (Football) there is an 8 page list (and explanations) of "2020 Major Football Rule Differences between NFHS & NCAA" you might find helpful.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Loose Ball Play
« Last post by dammitbobby on February 26, 2021, 09:13:07 AM »
Thanks guys.  I'll post a couple other things I have dealing with penalty enforcement that may help:

Clean Hands
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1k40TMU430x-McHhcneR2WOSxmLOJUu0UtZIE2Gxpfw4/edit?usp=sharing

Bridge to Kickoff chart
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xcoPfzCkGIx2s-vFTpwPsCcZ2GEQCWHuNnAQMZTIFcA/edit?usp=sharing

These are great - are they also correct for NCAA?  I'd love to use these as a resource but don't want to have to fact check every single item LOL.
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