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National Federation Discussion / Re: Safety or touchback?
« Last post by prosec34 on Today at 08:26:01 AM »
My association's rules guru says you all are incorrect. He cites 10-4-5d, that when the final result of a play is a touchback, the enforcement spot is the 20. I've argued to him that B did not get the ball with clean hands (B intentionally batted the ball out of the end zone to prevent A's recovery) and that the principle you have cited applies. He says the clean hands provision does not apply because there was no change of possession during the down (2-34-3).

I think there is potential to interpret the rules either way between A keeping the ball and B getting it at the 10.
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Yes - I am a teacher and occasionally work subvarsity games in my district.  When I do that, I don't get a game check, but have it rolled into my salary, meaning taxes, health, etc. are taken out, but it also contributes to my retirement. 

On the other hand I always joke with the AD about the worker's comp coming my way if I were to roll an ankle or sprain my knee while working a freshman game!

This is a different situation. If you have an existing employer-employee relationship, it is not possible to also be an independent contractor to your employer. That's clear cut law. (An interesting area involves not-for-profits and whether it is legal for their employees to donate time to their employers.) And yes, you would receive worker's comp if you were to injure yourself.

In college I referee intramural sports as a student employee. I twisted my knee during a game and it turned into a big deal when I happened to casually mentioned to the HR director that I had hurt my knee on the job and my supervisor had told me to toughen up. (Did I mention the HR director was my mother? Probably doesn't matter  ;D )
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NCAA Discussion / Re: CFO 2017 Game Review Video 1 (9/19/17) - play 7
« Last post by #92 on Today at 04:10:35 AM »
I agree there's no safety issue.

But the defender clearly loses a yard due to an illegal block. Doesn't that account for something?

Although the 15 yards would probably be too harsh a punishment...
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National Federation Discussion / Re: DPI or not?
« Last post by InsideTheStripes on Yesterday at 07:45:30 PM »
I've got nothing.
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General Discussion / Re: Are officials ICs or Employees - NLRB weighs in
« Last post by Rulesman on Yesterday at 07:18:44 PM »
Yes - I am a teacher and occasionally work subvarsity games in my district.  When I do that, I don't get a game check, but have it rolled into my salary, meaning taxes, health, etc. are taken out, but it also contributes to my retirement. 

On the other hand I always joke with the AD about the worker's comp coming my way if I were to roll an ankle or sprain my knee while working a freshman game!
Really not a joke. IMO, you would be entitled to WC based on your description. Either you are an employee or you are an IC. You are one or the other. Your district canít have it both ways. Would be no different than if you fell down a flight of stairs in your school during school hours and rolled your ankle.
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General Discussion / Re: High School Football Participation Down?
« Last post by The Roamin' Umpire on Yesterday at 05:25:07 PM »
Youth football numbers (and especially Pop Warner - we have a few other programs besides) are WAY down. Scholastic numbers are down, too, but it's hit and miss - some programs are up significantly, some have had to scrap a season here or there, and we have a number of merged teams. I think the only program that has gone away permanently in the last decade is the Catholic school that almost closed and let go of their long-time principal (and football coach) at about the same time.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: DPI or not?
« Last post by The Roamin' Umpire on Yesterday at 05:21:31 PM »
Contact is definitely early. First angle made me think the receiver just played through the contact; second angle makes it clear there's a material restriction.  ^flag
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National Federation Discussion / Re: The spot where the run ends
« Last post by The Roamin' Umpire on Yesterday at 05:18:35 PM »
Ralph,
My question is regarding 2-41-9a.  Why does it say that the related running play continues after the ball becomes dead in the runners possession?

If I had to guess, the clause in 2-41-9a that starts with "but" is supposed to be attached to 2-41-9b. I wonder if this got messed up at some point - sadly, I threw my old books out somewhere along the line.
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I think the last two posts are spot-on. The game-control value of a good umpire in his normal position behind the defense is immense; I wouldn't trade it away no matter how much better the view is. (And I don't think safety of the official is at risk; at least, no more so than the wings, who have accounted for the majority of officials' injuries that I personally know of.)

And our association fought hard to get an expansion from four officials to five for varsity contests in our area. Having won that, we're now taxed to the limit to provide enough officials to fill those slots - some second-year guys are getting varsity assignments. There's no way we could handle more right now.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Safety or touchback?
« Last post by prosec34 on Yesterday at 03:30:06 PM »
Doggone. I think you all are right. Literally everyone in our association had it wrong last night at our meeting.

So, foul was by B before change of possession, the enforcement spot for which would be the end of A's run.
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