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National Federation Discussion / Re: FED RULES TOUCHDOWN OR NOT ?
« Last post by js in sc on Yesterday at 10:18:32 PM »
Out here is Oregon we conducted a 4 year experiment allowing the Defense to score on a Try.
A defensive conversion scores 2 points for the defense.

The great thing about this rule is it allows some of us older, overweight, HS Referees the chance to hon our skills and
perform the 90 yard dash in front of a live audience.  tiphat:

But wait, it gets better because, now...

The R is now on wrong goal line!  He/she needs to be 100 yards from here for the subsequent Kickoff, so...

Time for another exhibition of speed   :o  :!#
Help me.  How is R on the wrong goal line for the free kick?
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National Federation Discussion / Re: FED RULES TOUCHDOWN OR NOT ?
« Last post by Etref on Yesterday at 09:52:51 PM »
Has a try in a Texas HS ( NCAA rules)

Defense picked it at the 2 and on a dead run. I was the R trying to figure out how I was going to beat their 17 year old 98 yards to the end zone.

By the time we got to the 40 he was already even with me ( I was about the 25 to start).

He was pumping his arms something fierce and slung the ball OOB! Thank God for youthful exuberance

,!
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National Federation Discussion / Re: FED RULES TOUCHDOWN OR NOT ?
« Last post by JasonTX on Yesterday at 09:06:18 PM »
Out here is Oregon we conducted a 4 year experiment allowing the Defense to score on a Try.
A defensive conversion scores 2 points for the defense.

The great thing about this rule is it allows some of us older, overweight, HS Referees the chance to hon our skills and
perform the 90 yard dash in front of a live audience.  tiphat:

But wait, it gets better because, now...

The R is now on wrong goal line!  He/she needs to be 100 yards from here for the subsequent Kickoff, so...

Time for another exhibition of speed   :o  :!#

In Texas we also have 6 man football.  Luckily the defense can't advance the Try.  In 11 man it doesn't happen very often, but the 6 man game it would probably happen several times a game so very thankful it is dead.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Question about AR 6-5-3-I
« Last post by dvasques on Yesterday at 09:04:14 PM »
In that case, 6-5-3-c shouldn't exist. Because up to that item, I believe it's be the norm to kill any kick play with a fair catch signal, valis or invalid. The way this AR is written and where it's positioned just confuses things because if the ball never crosses the NZ then we figure the signal will be an invalid one (although nothing in the rules would support that)...
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Question about AR 6-5-3-I
« Last post by ElvisLives on Yesterday at 07:37:52 PM »
Because they didn't give an invalid signal, they gave a valid signal. And the ball is always dead when caught or recovered after a valid signal. But, just because it was a valid signal doesn't mean it was a fair catch. A fair catch is only possible on a kick that crosses the neutral zone. So in the AR, it's not a fair catch, but it is dead because they gave a valid fair catch signal.

6-5-3 specifically addresses invalid signals.  So, by inference, the signal was invalid.  But the AR makes it clear that they want the ball to become dead any time any signal is given (valid or invalid), anywhere, and whether or not the kicked ball crosses the NZ.  Id like it better if they edited the rule language to say that.  But, the AR tells us.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: FED RULES TOUCHDOWN OR NOT ?
« Last post by bossman72 on Yesterday at 07:16:21 PM »
Out here is Oregon we conducted a 4 year experiment allowing the Defense to score on a Try.
A defensive conversion scores 2 points for the defense.

The great thing about this rule is it allows some of us older, overweight, HS Referees the chance to hon our skills and
perform the 90 yard dash in front of a live audience.  tiphat:

But wait, it gets better because, now...

The R is now on wrong goal line!  He/she needs to be 100 yards from here for the subsequent Kickoff, so...

Time for another exhibition of speed   :o  :!#

How did you guys handle penalty enforcement on the try?
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Question about AR 6-5-3-I
« Last post by bossman72 on Yesterday at 06:51:20 PM »
They changed that AR about 6 years ago or so.  It never used to say the ball is dead.

Realistically, if the ball gets popped up and you signal for a FC behind the NZ and catch it behind the NZ, everyone is going to stop.  So that would have been a very cheap touchdown/return if that AR wasn't changed.

Edit:  Pulled this from the 2010 book online:

Approved Ruling 6-5-3
I. A1 or B1 signals for a fair catch beyond the neutral zone during a
kick that does not cross the neutral zone. RULING: The signals are
of no consequence, since the ball did not cross the neutral zone, and
the ball remains alive (Rule 2-7-1-a).
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Question about AR 6-5-3-I
« Last post by Legacy Zebra on Yesterday at 06:19:02 PM »
Because they didn't give an invalid signal, they gave a valid signal. And the ball is always dead when caught or recovered after a valid signal. But, just because it was a valid signal doesn't mean it was a fair catch. A fair catch is only possible on a kick that crosses the neutral zone. So in the AR, it's not a fair catch, but it is dead because they gave a valid fair catch signal.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: FED RULES TOUCHDOWN OR NOT ?
« Last post by KWH on Yesterday at 06:00:03 PM »
Out here is Oregon we conducted a 4 year experiment allowing the Defense to score on a Try.
A defensive conversion scores 2 points for the defense.

The great thing about this rule is it allows some of us older, overweight, HS Referees the chance to hon our skills and
perform the 90 yard dash in front of a live audience.  tiphat:

But wait, it gets better because, now...

The R is now on wrong goal line!  He/she needs to be 100 yards from here for the subsequent Kickoff, so...

Time for another exhibition of speed   :o  :!#
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NCAA Discussion / Question about AR 6-5-3-I
« Last post by dvasques on Yesterday at 05:57:36 PM »
So, if "rules pertaining to a fair catch apply only when a scrimmage kick crosses the neutral zone or during free kicks." and "an invalid signal beyond the neutral zone is possible only when the ball has crossed the neutral zone", why is the ball dead when caught, without crossing the neutral zone in AR 6-5-3-I?
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