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National Federation Discussion / Re: Brain Puzzlers
« Last post by Ralph Damren on Today at 08:50:58 AM »
A 4-5 from B 20.  A punts, the following happened: (Mind you this is what the crew reported initially to the R)

B 10 PF Facemask, right after the snap on the gunner

B5  catches punt at A 45 and returns to the B 30, tackled by a PF Horse Collar in front of B's team box.  B5 then retaliates with a shove and a small melee ensues.

Enforcement? 

Now change it to what actually happened, after trying to enforce the previous:

A 4-5 from B 20.  A punts, the following actually happened:

A 10 PF Facemask right after snap, on B's DB

B5  catches punt at A 45 and returns to the B 30, tackled by a PF Horse Collar in front of B's team box.  B5 then retaliates with a shove and a small melee ensues.

Enforcement?
Remember : WHO  -  WHAT  -  WHEN  -  WHERE...the components to penalty enforcement.

As my friend Kevin , and a fanatic of the Oregon Mighty Ducks, stated : "Ya' gotta' get the team right!"
  When and where would also come into play in this.
  If the FM by R occurred at the LOS then PSK could not apply = double foul = replay the down. If  R's shove came after the ball came dead, it would then be tacked on the the succeeding spot and create a new series for K.

 If K was the facemask-grabber, you now have a multiple foul on K followed by a DBPF on B. If the return ended  OUTSIDE of K's 30 = the ball would stay put after +15 for HC & -15 for DBPH. IF the return ended INSIDE K's 30 = 1/2 distance for HC then 15 back then set the stakes. In lieu of this, R could choose the other K foul It occurred during a loose ball play which would require previous spot enforcement and then tack on R's DBPF. If the LOS was outside K's 30, ball would remain there ;but if ball as inside K's 30, the FM would be enforced first @ 1/2 the distance followed by a full 15 on R's DBPF.

If all that isn't confusing enough, the yard lines may have been mislabeled in the post. :)
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Brain Puzzlers
« Last post by Ralph Damren on Today at 07:59:10 AM »
An illegal kick is treated as a fumble while it is loose.  Therefore if the penalty is declined it will be K's ball @ 50 yd ln.
Prab wins the aWaRd aWaRd! Even with the tweaking of the illegal kick rule a few years back, the ball status would be considered a fumble once he released to ball to kick it. In the real world of Maine sub-varsity football, the officials gave the ball to R @ 50. Both coaches grunted : "Ayuh, 'spect so..."

     ......and the band played on
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National Federation Discussion / Who is watching Number 2?
« Last post by MacDiiddy on Today at 07:30:34 AM »
I asked this question on coachhuey.com and wanted to see if there was a better answer.

I got 3 answers, Back Judge, Wing and Nobody.
and apparently it is relevant information to mention I am from Indiana.

But here it is, We had a big playoff game that we lost, no thanks to a Rub/Pick play. When we were asking the ref on our sideline to watchi it, I believe he said he was watching number 1.

Here is the play.



Also, I am referring to number 2 as the "H" in this diagram.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Brain Puzzlers
« Last post by KWH on Yesterday at 04:02:29 PM »
A 4-5 from B 20.  A punts, the following happened: (Mind you this is what the crew reported initially to the R)

B 10 PF Facemask, right after the snap on the gunner

B5  catches punt at A 45 and returns to the B 30, tackled by a PF Horse Collar in front of B's team box.  B5 then retaliates with a shove and a small melee ensues.

Enforcement?


Now change it to what actually happened, after trying to enforce the previous:

A 4-5 from B 20.  A punts, the following actually happened:

A 10 PF Facemask right after snap, on B's DB

B5  catches punt at A 45 and returns to the B 30, tackled by a PF Horse Collar in front of B's team box.  B5 then retaliates with a shove and a small melee ensues.

Enforcement?

Who committed the face mask foul would makes a big difference in how this situation is dispatched.
It a good thing that screw ups like this only occur on Wednesday afternoon Freshmen games and not in say perhaps a televised 6A State Championship game with more than 20,000 in attendance!!!
 :sTiR:
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Brain Puzzlers
« Last post by prab on Yesterday at 01:00:30 PM »
Options are:

1) Decline the foul -- results of the play, R's ball 1st and 10 at the 50 as it was a scrimmage kick OOB.

An illegal kick is treated as a fumble while it is loose.  Therefore if the penalty is declined it will be K's ball @ 50 yd ln.
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Texas Topics / Re: TASO (Texas) to expand the use of on field communications
« Last post by JDM on Yesterday at 12:17:03 PM »
I ordered a set of two for $24 from California and a set of 2 from China for $4 for the pair.  Not a typo, $4 for the pair.  Found on ebay.  It takes a month or more to get them from Hong Kong, but shipping is free and price is incredibly cheap.

A man after my own heart.  :bOW
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Brain Puzzlers
« Last post by ncwingman on Yesterday at 12:13:45 PM »
The trick to my "trick" question is that you can only have a dead ball personal foul, not a dead ball BIB, dead ball holding, dead ball helping the runner, dead ball 5-yd facemask, etc. IF you ruled that the block in the back was vicious enough to be considered a personal foul, B could choose to tack it onto the try or kickoff. IF it was only a slight shove in the back after the score, it would become a "nothing" - rationale- it had no baring on the play.

Rule 10 is the best rule to dig up ??? ::) :P zany stuff. The kicking game always can tend to complicate matters.....
 
 (1) 4th &10 @ 50, Hans -K1 - is punting;
 (2) Tugboat -R1- blocks punt;
 (3) Bubba -R2 - picks up blocked punt at K's 45 and begins journey;
 (4) Bubba -R2 - is hit by Clamtrap -K2- at K's 40 and fumbles;
 (5) Hans -K1- scoops up the football and "punts" again from K's 38;
 (6) ball bounces harmlessly OOB @ 50.

 ^flag ^flag ^flag (only a sub-varsity game)...now, what are the choices :o ::) :P :-[

NOTE : This occurred several years ago in a sub-varsity game in Maine. The names have been changed to
protect the :( :o 8] ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

I admit I stared at this way too long thinking it was a legal play, as K1 could pick up the blocked punt and punt it again -- but R recovered the blocked punt and fumbled again -- K cannot punt after a change of possession so the second kick is illegal.

Options are:

1) Decline the foul -- results of the play, R's ball 1st and 10 at the 50 as it was a scrimmage kick OOB.

2) Accept the illegal kick foul, 15 yard penalty enforced from the spot of the kick (K38) (foul occurs behind the basic spot, which is the K40, spot of the previous fumble) -- it would be K's ball at the K23. Since possession changed during the down, a new series is awarded following enforcement of the penalty -- it's 1st and 10 for K at the K23.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Brain Puzzlers
« Last post by Refmike22 on Yesterday at 11:34:07 AM »
A 4-5 from B 20.  A punts, the following happened: (Mind you this is what the crew reported initially to the R)

B 10 PF Facemask, right after the snap on the gunner

B5  catches punt at A 45 and returns to the B 30, tackled by a PF Horse Collar in front of B's team box.  B5 then retaliates with a shove and a small melee ensues.

Enforcement? 

Now change it to what actually happened, after trying to enforce the previous:

A 4-5 from B 20.  A punts, the following actually happened:

A 10 PF Facemask right after snap, on B's DB

B5  catches punt at A 45 and returns to the B 30, tackled by a PF Horse Collar in front of B's team box.  B5 then retaliates with a shove and a small melee ensues.

Enforcement?

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